Basso - too strong to be true...........

[bruce]

Okay, I'm just trying to put numbers into context.

[BikeMax]

Okay' date=' I'm just trying to put numbers into context.

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No worries - now how about some of yours

 

That dome to dome file would be good to look at (well done on a bloody good ride)

 

Mail it to me if you are willing ?

[bruce]

Don't mind publishing.

 

For Dome2Dome I had NP = 303 watts, 2h57.  My current weight is 77kg.

 

Not that impressive.  My strength is my short term power - VO2Max stuff which enables me to handle the surges.  My training at the moment is focused around improving ftp.  Difficult to tell my numbers because I never ride 60min flat out, but my goal for this season is 4.5w/kg (am currently just over 4w/kg.

 

Still a babe at this sport - only 2 years now.

[BikeMax]

Don't mind publishing.

 

For Dome2Dome I had NP = 303 watts' date=' 2h57.  My current weight is 77kg.

 

Not that impressive.  My strength is my short term power - VO2Max stuff which enables me to handle the surges.  My training at the moment is focused around improving ftp.  Difficult to tell my numbers because I never ride 60min flat out, but my goal for this season is 4.5w/kg (am currently just over 4w/kg.

 

Still a babe at this sport - only 2 years now.

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Pretty good power for that duration - what was peak 20 min NP ?

 

You must be at ~350w FTP if you can hold 303 for 3 hours

[bruce]

Just had a look at the data now:

Peak 20 min NP = 330

Peak 60 min NP = 320

 

The break happened early in the race and then it was TT until the end.  Overall VI for the ride was 1.28.

[bruce]

I suspect I am under estimating ftp a bit - IF for the race was 1.012 over 3 hours!!

 

Last time I tested myself was 5 weeks ago, and have had 4 weeks pretty good hard training.

[Windbreaker]

I have seen 5.1 w//kg from local top amateurs in real data and suspect there are riders out there up to around 5.4w/kg (at threshold)

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Hmmm .... and some of us "weekend warriors" are ecstatic about our 3.5w/kg for the Red Hill ride  

 

Well thats not too shabby - I was at 4w/kg up Red hill but got dropped so there are certainly some SV riders at 5w/kg at the moment.

 

Just got to keep working at it - if you can get to 4.1 + then you will be ok

 

Bikemax' date=' are you guys referring to the overall ride, or the Redhill climb?  Over what time period are these numbers?

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I was refering to my figures for the full 60km ride i.e. 3.5w/kg

 

For interest, I think Bikemax mentioned elsewhere that the difference between the first climb and second climb was about 5% - spot on for me so I guess I wasn't slacking second time round.

 

First climb was 4.05 w/kg (got dropped by main vets bunch)

Second climb was 3.85 w/kg (and still Ms Tome had 50m on me as we crested )

 

Half of the fun of training with power is analysing the numbers after the ride - or maybe I'm just a bike geek

 

Windbreaker2006-09-20 12:07:57

[bruce]

I smell a definite bike geek - takes one to spot one

[Windbreaker]

Don't mind publishing.

 

For Dome2Dome I had NP = 303 watts' date=' 2h57.  My current weight is 77kg.

 

Not that impressive.  My strength is my short term power - VO2Max stuff which enables me to handle the surges.  My training at the moment is focused around improving ftp.  Difficult to tell my numbers because I never ride 60min flat out, but my goal for this season is 4.5w/kg (am currently just over 4w/kg.

 

Still a babe at this sport - only 2 years now.

[/quote']

 

Pretty good power for that duration - what was peak 20 min NP ?

 

You must be at ~350w FTP if you can hold 303 for 3 hours

 

Whaddaya mean not that impressive??

Are you using CyclingPeaks software?

 

If so then set up a chart with the bins at 10w "wide" for the D2D and a couple of your recent hard training rides. You should clearly see a large drop from one bin to the next (on the downward slope side of the chart) indicating the FTP. Using the average value from a few recent hard rides will give you a good indication of your FTP.

 

I would agree with Bikemax that you should be pretty close to 350w and your 4.5w/kg goal.

[BikeMax]

I suspect I am under estimating ftp a bit - IF for the race was 1.012 over 3 hours!!

 

Last time I tested myself was 5 weeks ago' date=' and have had 4 weeks pretty good hard training.

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 Even for an hour, anything over 1 for IF indicates an understated FTP - so for 3 hours you are way off.

 

I reckon you must have a flat TT like power curve if your max 20 is 330 and 3 hours is 303 !

 

Would be worth doing at the very least a full on fresh 20 min effort and see if you can get 360+  I estimate you could hold 360/365 for 20 mins and would put FTP at ~340-350w

 

Or - go for a full 60 min full TT test - loads of fun

 

With this figure as understated as you have it, your training is too easy...and to raise that FTP you need to be a bit nearer your true FTP

[BikeMax]

Don't mind publishing.

 

For Dome2Dome I had NP = 303 watts' date=' 2h57.  My current weight is 77kg.

 

Not that impressive.  My strength is my short term power - VO2Max stuff which enables me to handle the surges.  My training at the moment is focused around improving ftp.  Difficult to tell my numbers because I never ride 60min flat out, but my goal for this season is 4.5w/kg (am currently just over 4w/kg.

 

Still a babe at this sport - only 2 years now.

[/quote']

 

Pretty good power for that duration - what was peak 20 min NP ?

 

You must be at ~350w FTP if you can hold 303 for 3 hours

 

Whaddaya mean not that impressive??

Are you using CyclingPeaks software?

 

If so then set up a chart with the bins at 10w "wide" for the D2D and a couple of your recent hard training rides. You should clearly see a large drop from one bin to the next (on the downward slope side of the chart) indicating the FTP. Using the average value from a few recent hard rides will give you a good indication of your FTP.

 

I would agree with Bikemax that you should be pretty close to 350w and your 4.5w/kg goal.

 

You after a job or something

[Windbreaker]

I suspect I am under estimating ftp a bit - IF for the race was 1.012 over 3 hours!!

 

Last time I tested myself was 5 weeks ago' date=' and have had 4 weeks pretty good hard training.

[/quote']

 

 Even for an hour, anything over 1 for IF indicates an understated FTP - so for 3 hours you are way off.

 

I reckon you must have a flat TT like power curve if your max 20 is 330 and 3 hours is 303 !

 

Would be worth doing at the very least a full on fresh 20 min effort and see if you can get 360+  I estimate you could hold 360/365 for 20 mins and would put FTP at ~340-350w

 

Or - go for a full 60 min full TT test - loads of fun

 

With this figure as understated as you have it, your training is too easy...and to raise that FTP you need to be a bit nearer your true FTP

 

Yep, you've been slacking! So for punishment I think that you should go out and do that 60m TT anyway!! 

[BikeMax]

I suspect I am under estimating ftp a bit - IF for the race was 1.012 over 3 hours!!

 

Last time I tested myself was 5 weeks ago' date=' and have had 4 weeks pretty good hard training.

[/quote']

 

 Even for an hour, anything over 1 for IF indicates an understated FTP - so for 3 hours you are way off.

 

I reckon you must have a flat TT like power curve if your max 20 is 330 and 3 hours is 303 !

 

Would be worth doing at the very least a full on fresh 20 min effort and see if you can get 360+  I estimate you could hold 360/365 for 20 mins and would put FTP at ~340-350w

 

Or - go for a full 60 min full TT test - loads of fun

 

With this figure as understated as you have it, your training is too easy...and to raise that FTP you need to be a bit nearer your true FTP

 

Yep, you've been slacking! So for punishment I think that you should go out and do that 60m TT anyway!! 

 

Yeah...go do it and then post the results for the armchair critics to analyse

[Windbreaker]

Hey Bruce what sensor are you using for interest sake?

[bruce]

Hmmmnnn, seems like you guys are right on the money.

Just made a power graph of the D2D race, big drop from the 350-360 bin to the 360-370 bin.

Can't figure out how to upload a picture on the new forum software for you to see.

Oh no, just realised I've got pyramid intervals tomorrow morning and I need to crank up the watts a bit - could we not have had this conversation tomorrow instead of today

[bruce]

Hey Bruce what sensor are you using for interest sake?

 

Powertap Pro for training, SL (in Zipp 404 tubbies) for racing.