Dietitian's corner

[velomonatiCT]

type "the china study discredited " into google

 

and watch the fun that comes forth ......  

 

and you will discover that like a$$holes everyones opinion is  slightly different from yours

 

you don't have to trash others to try be right about everything

 

just disagree and that's life ....then just go ride  your bike

[Dgas]

type "the china study discredited " into google

 

and watch the fun that comes forth ......  

 

and you will discover that like a$$holes everyones opinion is  slightly different from yours

 

you don't have to trash others to try be right about everything

 

just disagree and that's life ....then just go ride  your bike

And why don't you read the book and then form a opinion?

 

And that is what I am going to do. In about 45 minutes I will be riding my bike.

[Dgas]

type "the china study discredited " into google

 

and watch the fun that comes forth ......  

 

and you will discover that like a$$holes everyones opinion is  slightly different from yours

 

you don't have to trash others to try be right about everything

 

just disagree and that's life ....then just go ride  your bike

I tried your approach, I typed in "is. Jacob Zuma a honest man" and having quickly scanned through the replies I am, after my ride, going to join the ANC and support the president in all he does.

 

Get my drift?

[Sports Certified Dietitian]

What is H-squared?  I actually had a session with my dietician today and she always pulls out the calipers and calculates a BMI out of that.  Is that not accurate? 

BMI is accurate for a large part of the population, but resuts can get slightly skewed if an athlete is involved due to additional lean body mass. It nonetheless can be used by a skilled practitioner if it is interpreted correctly and used in conjunction with other parameters like fat% (calipers). I'm not sure of how H-squared was derived, but it is probably linked to BMI, and entailed squaring one's height and multiplying it by two factors to get the lower and upper ranges of an acceptable weight. This too needs to be used carefully due to individual circumstances. For example a client that has always weighed 80 kg, but being told that based on this method he/she needs to weigh 60 kg. Discretion must be used, and as long as the person is moving in the right direction, that is what is important. Hope that is helpful?

[Sports Certified Dietitian]

As this is a cycling site, I was addressing ( or thought I was) a audience that was not averse to excersize and had some acces to a PC, Tablet or a smartphone.

 

I fully agrre with you that not everybody has knowledge to be able to stick to a healthy diet. I use "My Fitness Pal" to log all my kilojoule intake and expenditure, The APP also gives a simple split between carbohydrates, fat and protein. You can set it up to be more complex.

 

Not all diets are healthy, although people swear by it, the Tim Noaks or the Atkins diets are nowhere near healthy choices. You may loose weight but health? Most of the diet fads are there to make people money from writting a book. Tim Noaks being a good example.

 

As a vegetarian I should almost automatically be on good diet if I cut out the chips, coke and chocolate, cheese, etc, which is esentially what I did and reduced my portions in line with kilojoule intake. Upped my excersize to around 250km per week and 20 kg's are gone. Want to loose another 5 or so but a bit slower that I lost the 20kg's.

I think for the most part we are agreeing with each other. It sounds like you generally know what you are doing which is great.

 

I guess all levels of people i.e. fitness would use a site like this, which includes novices just starting out. I'm trying to make provision for everybody.

 

Agree fully with you regarding not all diets being healthy. I actually don't like the word diet, as it implies an artificial scenario. I like to see one's eating as a way of life, something that is suitable, healthy, and importantly. sustainable.

 

As you probably know, there are some challenges with eating vegetarian. Some people do not know about food combining, nutrient deficiencies etc., and the stricter one gets the greater the chances of problems arising.

 

Keep the good work up and hope you lose the 5 kg.

[sakkiebomskok]

Boys boys boys. Carbs are everything. Pizza, chocolate, cake. Why would you cut these things out of your life. You must be mad. Just make sure you take in enough protein 2grams per kg of boddy mass and eat the carbs before and after training. If your calorie intake is less than output then you will loose fat. It's simple. And besides people who bant are bloody annoying. It's become a cult now. CARBS FOR LIFE!

[JXV]

 

 

Not all diets are healthy, although people swear by it, the Tim Noaks or the Atkins diets are nowhere near healthy choices. You may loose weight but health? Most of the diet fads are there to make people money from writting a book. Tim Noaks being a good example..

This is exactly what my GP (longtime serious cyclist) said about it.

[Patchelicious]

 

This is exactly what my GP (longtime serious cyclist) said about it.

You will probably find that is because when most GPs were in medical school, many of the studies they were taught on we're based on incorrect and sometimes even falsified information from the 50s, 60s and 70s

[velomonatiCT]

we should always trust a GP ......

[JXV]

You will probably find that is because when most GPs were in medical school, many of the studies they were taught on we're based on incorrect and sometimes even falsified information from the 50s, 60s and 70s

Sorry Patch, I might be a ballie but neither me nor my GP is that old. Naive also to think that GPs dont try to stay up to date.

[Patchelicious]

Sorry Patch, I might be a ballie but neither me nor my GP is that old. Naive also to think that GPs dont try to stay up to date.

Haha no, I am by no means saying you guys toppies, just that syllabuses are often based on very old and dated papers.

[JXV]

Haha no, I am by no means saying you guys toppies, just that syllabuses are often based on very old and dated papers.

Yes and some of the new ideas are not yet supported by sufficient peer reviewed research to have achieved critical mass. The negative effects of a new diet on long term health sometimes take time to manifest themselves. My GP's opinion on the LCHF thing is that the cardiac events that were going to occur in your 60's and 70's will now happen 10 years sooner....but not tomorrow. For me as a person whose family has a long history of cardiac issues I have to look further down the road than just tomorrow.... and a massive worldwide body of research says that a low fat diet is better for me. Are all those scientists wrong....and one local professor is not??

 

The key is balance and it is likely that the 'average' modern person's diet, including my own, is far too rich in carbs. This may be the reason that LCHF is so effective in the short term for many who try it......they cheat a bit with a beer here and some slap chips or a fruit juice there and actually achieve a better overall balance than before in spite of much higher fat intake. Long term though, we don't know for sure.......

 

Personally I think the proper balance lies somewhere in between.

 

Also, part of what has brought popularity and widespread acceptance of LCHF concept amongst active sporty people is the 'celebrity appeal' of the major proponent who has a big reputation in sport science and who has also proven himself adept at harnessing the publicity he generates. The idea of eating more of the foods that most diet plans would restrict is obviously appealing to many people. It flies in the face of a huge body of knowledge so this means that a thinking person should proceed cautiously.......

[Dgas]

I think for the most part we are agreeing with each other. It sounds like you generally know what you are doing which is great.

 

I guess all levels of people i.e. fitness would use a site like this, which includes novices just starting out. I'm trying to make provision for everybody.

 

Agree fully with you regarding not all diets being healthy. I actually don't like the word diet, as it implies an artificial scenario. I like to see one's eating as a way of life, something that is suitable, healthy, and importantly. sustainable.

 

As you probably know, there are some challenges with eating vegetarian. Some people do not know about food combining, nutrient deficiencies etc., and the stricter one gets the greater the chances of problems arising.

 

Keep the good work up and hope you lose the 5 kg.

There are some challenges but most places you go out and eat there are vegeterian options.

Can I assume that you are a dietician? I would like to be able to discuss my diet with a dietician who understands cycling and a vegeterian diet.

[Patchelicious]

I think the reason why the science behind LCHF has yet to be accepted by the majority is because it had been labeled a "diet" and the perception of another "fad".... Tis a pity. Being anti Noakes is the "new cool" kind of like it was cool 2 years ago to bant. Hype cycle stuff again....

 

Have a read on the cardiac benefits of LCHF.

 

I myself was born with a heart condition which was treated by operation a few years back. When I started training really hard (12 hours plus a week) some symptoms started to retun. But since I increased my fat intake I have felt a remarkable difference in its negative effects on me. I unfortunately do not have data to support that it's purely LCHF as my overall fitness has improved too.

[Dgas]

See the below article, interesting reading, seems to be supported by research and aimed at cyclists.

 

 

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/06/why-you-should-think-twice-before-trying-a-low-carb-high-fat-diet/

[BarHugger]

Seems everyone wants to state a claim about what is the best. IMO the body is an amazing adaptive organism.......if you feed it carbs for sport performance it will adapt to utilise carbs. If you feed it fat, it will adapt to utilise fat. Almost the same as the body adapts to different kinds of training.

 

But even more important, dietary guidelines for health (normal population) does not completely fit the dietary requirements for sport performance. Regarding the discussions on energy sources in the body.......have seen how elite ultra-endurance athletes (ie Comrades) at 95% of maximum intensity (performance) still have a respiratory exchange rate (RER) below 1 and simultaneous blood lactate concentration below the "magicall" 4mmol/L. With a profile of physiological parameters like this indicating energy system and substrates utilsed, it would be interesting to read other opinions and ideas on this.

 

Seems there might be a bit of a gap between theory and rea life............especially when it comes to high intensity activity over prolonged periods.