X-Fusion Lockout Lever Replacement

[PhilipV]

19 hours ago, OVERDRIVE said:

I've always had this feeling about x fusion. Feel a bit better that now I'm right...

If one unit that was probably set up incorrectly serves to confirm your suspicions, then that speaks more to your cognitive bias than the truth. 

Xfusion makes great shocks, forks and seat posts (I know, I've ridden them hard.) 

But if you are the type of guy who looks like he walked into a bike shop waving his credit card with no clue  while proclaiming that he "needs the best and nothing less will suffice for my dice to 317th position at this weekends fun ride!"  then you are definitely not the target market for xfusion. 

Just don't mention Fox's creaking CSU's, their awful CTD phase, nor Rock Shox's terrible small parts support and the phase where their charger dampers had bladders that blew up. 

Pick a brand and be a deuche about it. Just be prepared to have humble pie when proven wrong.

[AllenH]

17 hours ago, 117 said:

Hang on, is the cable length not wrong to the sleeve length? ie: too short a cable which creates tension/pulling motion on the mechanism (because the sleeve is too long), and prevents total lock out? 

We run a Wolftooth lever on the x-fusion manic and it works like an absolute charm - if the cable length and sleeve is correct

I also run a lyne and it came with a spacer/cable end nut if you wish to run the cable end on the dropper instead of the lever (opposite cable direction to the x-fusion). It came with a spare, you're welcome to it if you wish. It will allow you to use just about any type of lever that clamps the cable at the bar. It'll also allow you to have more finite control over the cable length. 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks, I think you may be right, the shock worked fine in the beginning, locked out as expected- the lever wouldn't stay locked so it does point to being a faulty lever or like you say a setting.

Titan are stepping in to assist, but if all else fails I'll take you up on the offer of the lever.

13 hours ago, PhilipV said:

I think your problem might be with the shock and not the lever. The lever's only job is to pull the cable a set amount before the ratchet clicks in place.  The shock has a cam/pulley that is pulled by the cable into a position that puts the damping circuit in the locked state. If the cable isn't set up correctly, it won't lock the shock. ie too little tension. 80% odds of this being the issue 

If the shock itself is faulty, then no amount of cable pulling will lock it out. 15% that this is the issue. Leaving a 5% chance that I'm mistaken and the lever itself is faulty. 

Either way, get the bike to a shop where someone with some mechanical knowledge can help you. 

Or phone Robbie at RBC in PE, he'll probably be able to sort it out in the dark, with a blindfold on. 

 

It's very possible that it is a setting... LBS originally blamed the shock and then said there was nothing wrong it was the cable. That didn't fix anything.

The shock used to lock out perfectly, there was possibly too much tension due to incorrect cable or sleeve as you have both suggested and the lever would unlock itself promptly, I'd often have to hold it locked with my thumb when I wanted it locked. They then replaced the cable again and now its totally loose, like it's only turning the shock's cam 30% and therefore not giving a full lock, because the lockout is barely noticeable between the 2 modes.

[AllenH]

13 hours ago, PhilipV said:

If one unit that was probably set up incorrectly serves to confirm your suspicions, then that speaks more to your cognitive bias than the truth. 

Xfusion makes great shocks, forks and seat posts (I know, I've ridden them hard.) 

But if you are the type of guy who looks like he walked into a bike shop waving his credit card with no clue  while proclaiming that he "needs the best and nothing less will suffice for my dice to 317th position at this weekends fun ride!"  then you are definitely not the target market for xfusion. 

Just don't mention Fox's creaking CSU's, their awful CTD phase, nor Rock Shox's terrible small parts support and the phase where their charger dampers had bladders that blew up. 

Pick a brand and be a deuche about it. Just be prepared to have humble pie when proven wrong.

I've found that most people that have something unfounded to say about another brand are like this in some way or other.

Overall I'm very happy with the bike and the X-fusion shocks which I think I also ride fairly hard, since it does more than flat gravel roads... So and apart from this one thing which is most likely nothing to do with the shock itself I haven't really had any issues or complaint with the bike or it's components and of the few small troubles I've had they were all a result of the bike shop using cheap rim tape, etc and I suspect this shock issue will fall in that bracket.

[PhilipV]

28 minutes ago, AllenH said:

now its totally loose, like it's only turning the shock's cam 30% and therefore not giving a full lock, because the lockout is barely noticeable between the 2 modes.

Bingo, there is your problem. The cable needs to be tight, so that it rotates the cam to the closed position. It's an easy, but slightly  finicky job. 

A good mechanic will be able to sort it quick sticks. 

[117]

Pop in the cable nut spacer to reverse the cable. Get a lever with a clamp system, from Lyne as an example, and away you go. 

The x-fusion is finicky to get right if you have to use the original system of locking the cable at the dropper side

[droo]

Everyone talking about dropper remotes - read the post. It's a shock remote. 

OP - if it's an issue with the remote not latching, those remotes do occasionally have those issues. To replace with something else, you'll need to match the cable pull from the new to the old one. Take the remote off, lock it, mark the cable, then release it and see how far the cable has moved. Post that number and I'll see what else will fit.