2009 Raleigh

[MTB0007]

I live by Raleigh,for me it's the best value for option..

I have been loyal since 1980...odd

Maybe not the same Raleigh..

But what is the same now days....

ELITE RC TEAM, is the best value for money, and best cost

Carbon option out there..

 

Yes Mg did go bust, will be back sept under Chinese ownership

 

Fiat is owned by Ferrari,

 

Yes I will always be ARALEIGH BRAND AMBASSADOR

[FlyingCheetah]

For people not liking Raleigh, this turns out to be a lengthy tread....

[Andrew Steer]

Hi' date='

sorry for my late reply, but I'll try to answer all questions.

 

Mampara and Tikki, the women's bike is not pink or baby blue, because if I did that my wife would kill me :-). Believe me there are women who don't want a pink flower design.

100% Correct

 

The frame is actually the same frame as we use for the  men's bikes, so it's not a women's specific geometry. I know, this is not perfect, but changing geometries on a carbon frame means opening new molds, and the quantities we sell are not enough to cover the costs just for one model. This is why only the big ones like Scott offer real women's specific frames, all others do the same as what we do. What is women's specific on this bike is the saddle, the stem lengths, handlebar shape and width, the shift/brake levers and the crank lengths.

 

Honesty is good, but lots of the big brands make womens specific bikes not just Scott

 

Stringbean, what you see on the chainstays is a pivot. It's a fully active real 4-link design with a Horst-link. And as long as we don't sell the bikes to America, Specialized can't do anything. Their patent is just an american patent, not worldwide.

 

Nice Work

 

Regarding the discussion about the brand name unfortunately what masood says is correct.

From the marketing and image perspective using the same brand name for very cheap and very expensive stuff does not really work. That is why Toyota created Lexus (and Toyota's image is still much better than many other car brand's image), why VW separates Seat from Audi and why Opel can't sell sports cars.

We could built the best bike ever, if it would cost more than R 50,000 noone would buy it. If Specialized would sell the same bike for R 100,000 they'd sell thousands. I can complain about this, but at the end it doesn't help. I can tell the people that our enty level range has absolutely nothing in common with our Elite range (not even the screw supplier is the same), but at the end only a few people are listening, and there are only 2 options for us: Keep Raleigh as the number one value for money brand in SA and stay away from super expensive carbon fullsuspension designs or sell the high end bikes under a different brand name. We obviously choose the value for money option and I think there's nothing wrong with it. Creating a high end brand is very difficult and takes a long time to built that image. Maybe this is something we should  think about for future, but so far I'm actually very happy riding my "bad" RC Ltd :-).

 

Now that you have acquired Scott, will the top end Raleigh stuff begin to fizz out and be replaced with Scott so you can focus on your strengths in the middle and lower ranges, or will you keep it going?

 

And to those who still think that Raleigh builds bad bikes and the MTN riders actually hate the bikes and could win even more races if they would just ride better bikes: There is a Crit race series in PE in January, and I will take part. Come with your Cervelos and Giants and try to beat me!

 

I'm pretty sure you could beat me on a postmans bike too

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PS: Newby0007 isn't doing any good to your brand - nobody likes a brown nose

[tikki]

 

 

And to those who still think that Raleigh builds bad bikes and the MTN riders actually hate the bikes and could win even more races if they would just ride better bikes: There is a Crit race series in PE in January, and I will take part. Come with your Cervelos and Giants and try to beat me!

 

 

 

 

 

Now your in sh*t Jan!

 

 

 

Ill see you in Jan at the crit were i think i should kick your ass and make you eat your Raleigh whole!

 

 

 

[MTB0007]

 

PS: Newby0007 isn't doing any good to your brand - nobody likes a brown nose

 

Yeah,

Im not brown nosing.... Sucker fool...

I ve ridden RALEIGH since before you were a bad dream on a late night

I CHOOSE TO RIDE RALEIGH..

I dont know Jan Begemann, but to him

I say well done on a brilliant bike,

I am an average Joe who rides, every day , tries to ride every weekend

but when i do ride ..

I CHOOSE A BRAND THAT OFFERS A SERIOUSLY EXEPTIONAL AFTER SALES, SUPPORT... EXCELLENT UP TO DATE TECHNOLOGY....

BRILLIANT VALUE FOR MONEY... I CHOOSE RALEIGH...

 

NEWBY00072008-08-06 11:28:27

[Jan Begemann]

And to those who still think that Raleigh builds bad bikes and the MTN riders actually hate the bikes and could win even more races if they would just ride better bikes: There is a Crit race series in PE in January' date=' and I will take part. Come with your Cervelos and Giants and try to beat me!

[/quote']


Now your in sh*t Jan!

Ill see you in Jan at the crit were i think i should kick your ass and make you eat your Raleigh whole!

 

Then you should give me your real name. I want to see your face when you get beaten by a fun rider on a Raleigh.

[AndreZA]

Jan, are any of these frames gonna be sold seperately? You guys are shooting yourselfs in the foot if not. I'm not gonna buy a R25000 bike just to get the R8000 frame. All my parts have been hand picked so I do not want to replace anything else.

 

 

 

[tikki]

Then you should give me your real name. I want to see your face when you get beaten by a fun rider on a Raleigh.

 

 

 

 

 

My name wont matter once i ve showered and welcomed you in with a cold beer!Then you can see my face and the sweet ride that whips Raleigh s ass for a living!

[Red Zone]

Thats fighting talk tikki, I like it, but if you are laying down the gauntlet we should at least know who you are, so that when you do get your @ss handed to you you cant run and hide.

[Jan Begemann]

We will offer RC Ltd, RM Ltd and MR Ltd framesets. I know you would prefer a red version instead of "MTN yellow". But we can't offer all colours. So we start with the top model frames this year, and if it works well, we'll increase the range of framesets in future.

[tikki]

Thats fighting talk tikki' date=' I like it, but if you are laying down the gauntlet we should at least know who you are, so that when you do get your @ss handed to you you cant run and hide.[/quote']

 

 

 

 

 

Well ive been racing PE crit for the last 5 years and normally do a top 10 or better so dont thing ill need to hide an even if i do get my ass kicked ill be the first to buy beers and shake your hand for smoking me!

[Jan Begemann]

Thats fighting talk tikki' date=' I like it, but if you are laying down the gauntlet we should at least know who you are, so that when you do get your @ss handed to you you cant run and hide.[/quote']


Well ive been racing PE crit for the last 5 years and normally do a top 10 or better so dont thing ill need to hide an even if i do get my ass kicked ill be the first to buy beers and shake your hand for smoking me!

 

I think I know who to look for now, and you did very well on the first day of this years crit.

I will beat you on the bike, and after that Big Al will beat you in drinking beer, that I will buy for us .

[Speedi]

tikki, what bike do you ride?

 

 

 

oh ja, anyone like my new avatar? got it from newby007...

 

 

 

sounds like jans gonna kick tikkis bumSpeedi152008-08-08 01:27:42

[tikki]

Thats fighting talk tikki' date=' I like it, but if you are laying down the gauntlet we should at least know who you are, so that when you do get your @ss handed to you you cant run and hide.[/quote'] Well ive been racing PE crit for the last 5 years and normally do a top 10 or better so dont thing ill need to hide an even if i do get my ass kicked ill be the first to buy beers and shake your hand for smoking me!

 

?

 

I think I know who to look for now, and you did very well on the first day of this years crit.

 

I will beat you on the bike, and after that Big Al will beat you in drinking beer, that I will buy for us .

 

 

 

Maybe you will beat me on the bike....but ill take Big Al out on the drinking department.....hope you got a bar table long enough for us!

[tikki]

tikki' date=' what bike do you ride?

 

 

 

oh ja, anyone like my new avatar? got it from newby007...

 

 

 

sounds like jans gonna kick tikkis bum[/quote']

 

 

 

 

 

MY WIFE!

[Dirty Twin]

So does tikki work for ProBike. Says so on his profile.