Rotor rings win TDF

[Willehond]

I guess that the Rotor ring debate is now over for good:

http://www.velonews.com/article/80811

Only if there is an independent double blind study that demonstrates an increase in wattage when using them.

 

That is what worries me......"certain" people are supplying equipment' date=' and it WIL NOT be Polar HRM!!!!!!

 

Soooo....... do you guys think that Sastre's win will blow some value in the Cervelos that crack so much????????

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Hulle kraak net so baie soos Raleighs, so kom ons los maar daai een of hoe ou grote?

[Guest Big H]

I guess that the Rotor ring debate is now over for good:

http://www.velonews.com/article/80811

Only if there is an independent double blind study that demonstrates an increase in wattage when using them.

 

That is what worries me......"certain" people are supplying equipment' date=' and it WIL NOT be Polar HRM!!!!!!

 

Soooo....... do you guys think that Sastre's win will blow some value in the Cervelos that crack so much????????

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Hulle kraak net so baie soos Raleighs, so kom ons los maar daai een of hoe ou grote?

 

Hou daai swart gedrog van jou met die dynamo in nog???????

[Willehond]

I guess that the Rotor ring debate is now over for good:

http://www.velonews.com/article/80811

Only if there is an independent double blind study that demonstrates an increase in wattage when using them.

 

That is what worries me......"certain" people are supplying equipment' date=' and it WIL NOT be Polar HRM!!!!!!

 

Soooo....... do you guys think that Sastre's win will blow some value in the Cervelos that crack so much????????

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Hulle kraak net so baie soos Raleighs, so kom ons los maar daai een of hoe ou grote?

 

Hou daai swart gedrog van jou met die dynamo in nog???????

 

Ja, my vrou het vandag daarop gery en ek op my Raleigh toe ons die heerlike weer geniet het!  Nie een van die bikes se frames het gekraak nie!!!

[GoLefty!!]

Well' date=' let's look at the evidence.  There have been approximately 104 TdF's, but let's take post war as 65 TdF's.

Let's round it off to about 1200 stages in total.

Number of stages won using Rotor Rings, vs. number of stages won using normal rings.  And you are using one stage result (not even a win mind you) to claim that the debate is now over for good?  Somehow I don't think the stats hold up so well
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hmm, lets apply that same logic to any modern equipment and we will all be back riding bikes from th 1960's

it was the single most important tt in Sastre's life.  He chose rotor rings (which took big effort to convince sponsers etc), defied all the expectations and hung on to yellow.  pretty compelling for me...

does anybody know if he rode the rotor rings for the whole tour ?

I don't disagree that the same logic should be applied to all modern equipment - it very much should be!!

All I'm saying is that a single good performance using a product does not constitute conclusive evidence - that same logic should be applied to all equipment.

I said on another thread that there is a proper study being performed down at Rhodes University, which I am actually providing some equipment for.

There are probably 5 or 6 very good explanations as to why the results yesterday were the way they were:

Evans is pretty stuffed - he has not reacted well to the pressure and has been isolated on a number of occasions.

Sastre was highly motivated.

Sastre has been protected by his team and has only really had to make one telling effort.

Sastre has not given his max in previous TT's, wherear Evans has.  I don't recall Sastre having to ride a TT with so much counting on it.

Sastre did not actually win the TT, he held on to yellow, that is all.

By the looks of things, Sastre also had some better TT equipment on his bike - Evans wasn't even wearing shoe covers if I saw correctly.

The QRings may have given him an advantage - this could be just one of the explanations.
Equipment manufacturers just love this type of anecdotal evidence.  It get's thousands of cyclists ruching out to buy their products all the time.

 

 

LOL Are you saying Evans Lost the tour because his socks were inside and not out...

 

Sastre used the Q-ring throughout the tour. They certainly did not hinder him.

Sastre won the tour for a great many reasons but the fact remains he won the tour. His preparation included Q-Rings and therefore that played a part in the victory.

 

I understand that a great many riders are winning events on these Rings so clearly it helps them, whether psychological or quantified performance boost.

I found no difference in training with Power and training with HR so I reckon Power training is the biggest load marketing crap to hit the 21st century.

[Guest Big H]

Well' date=' let's look at the evidence.  There have been approximately 104 TdF's, but let's take post war as 65 TdF's.

Let's round it off to about 1200 stages in total.

Number of stages won using Rotor Rings, vs. number of stages won using normal rings.  And you are using one stage result (not even a win mind you) to claim that the debate is now over for good?  Somehow I don't think the stats hold up so well
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hmm, lets apply that same logic to any modern equipment and we will all be back riding bikes from th 1960's

it was the single most important tt in Sastre's life.  He chose rotor rings (which took big effort to convince sponsers etc), defied all the expectations and hung on to yellow.  pretty compelling for me...

does anybody know if he rode the rotor rings for the whole tour ?

I don't disagree that the same logic should be applied to all modern equipment - it very much should be!!

All I'm saying is that a single good performance using a product does not constitute conclusive evidence - that same logic should be applied to all equipment.

I said on another thread that there is a proper study being performed down at Rhodes University, which I am actually providing some equipment for.

There are probably 5 or 6 very good explanations as to why the results yesterday were the way they were:

Evans is pretty stuffed - he has not reacted well to the pressure and has been isolated on a number of occasions.

Sastre was highly motivated.

Sastre has been protected by his team and has only really had to make one telling effort.

Sastre has not given his max in previous TT's, wherear Evans has.  I don't recall Sastre having to ride a TT with so much counting on it.

Sastre did not actually win the TT, he held on to yellow, that is all.

By the looks of things, Sastre also had some better TT equipment on his bike - Evans wasn't even wearing shoe covers if I saw correctly.

The QRings may have given him an advantage - this could be just one of the explanations.
Equipment manufacturers just love this type of anecdotal evidence.  It get's thousands of cyclists ruching out to buy their products all the time.

 

 

LOL Are you saying Evans Lost the tour because his socks were inside and not out...

 

Sastre used the Q-ring throughout the tour. They certainly did not hinder him.

Sastre won the tour for a great many reasons but the fact remains he won the tour. His preparation included Q-Rings and therefore that played a part in the victory.

 

I understand that a great many riders are winning events on these Rings so clearly it helps them, whether psychological or quantified performance boost.

I found no difference in training with Power and training with HR so I reckon Power training is the biggest load marketing crap to hit the 21st century.

 

What I have been saying all along...... just another new fad to exploit the egoistic nature of cyclists. There a a millions of similar thing around us that fleece our pockets and we pay without blinking an eye because that advertisement saya so!!!!!!!!

[AndreZA]

Evans lost because he used campy Mampara2008-07-28 07:38:08

[1kTT]

 

There are probably 5 or 6 very good explanations as to why the results yesterday were the way they were:

 

I also think good old patriotism and some financial consideration came into play here. There is a Spanish Connection here' date=' isn't there?

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JB, this sounds just like alien conspiracy theory. 

 

I would have thought that you of all people would appreciate Occam's Razor:

"All things being equal, the simplest solution is best"

 

[porky]

I agree with GoLefty, when I ran my first Comrades, nobody had even heard of HR moniters, then a German Runner (cant remember his name charlie somebody) ran the pants of the opposition using and constantly refering to his HR moniter - the next year every runner had one including me - didnt help me one bit but I had it.

 

The next year Alberto Salazaar ran the pants off everybody training 6 months of the year in his living room on a treadmill - I bet treadmill sales went up that year too - but I drew the line there.!

 

I am firmly old school and believe you cant fool your body, others may disagree (its their right) but I recon up to pro athlete you can train on "feel" alone.

All these gadgets and accessories are great, but its unlikely in my opinon the average weekend warrior benefits one iota.!

 

 

porky2008-07-28 10:23:29

[ridr]

I agree with GoLefty' date=' when I ran my first Comrades, nobody had even heard of HR moniters, then a German Runner (cant remember his name charlie somebody) ran the pants of the opposition using and constantly refering to his HR moniter - the next year every runner had one including me - didnt help me one bit but I had it.

 

The next year Alberto Salazaar ran the pants off everybody training 6 months of the year in his living room on a treadmill - I bet treadmill sales went up that year too - but I drew the line there.!

 

I am firmly old school and believe you cant fool your body, others may disagree (its their right) but I recon up to pro athlete you can train on "feel" alone.

All these gadgets and accessories are great, but its unlikely in my opinon the average weekend warrior benefits one iota.!

 

 

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I agree with Porky - been running with a hrm and speed sensor for just over a year, and makes no difference.  Training on feel is best.  And more fun!  Returned the hrm cos was wasting too much time trying to get the speed sensor to work and was messing up my training time!