Olympic bashers ..... use it ..... don't

[PPWTF]

 

http://www.fasttrackagency.com/ - Ex Olympic athletes doing exactly as you've just mentioned

 

Were is the SA equivalent? Please point me in the right direction.

 

PPWTF2008-08-25 03:26:04

[Thug]

 

Wasn't Sidney Maree charged with Fraud or something similar ?

 

 

 

 

 

edit: Yes, he was

 

http://www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=552&fArticleId=4559727

 

 

The Thug2008-08-25 03:28:05

[GoLefty!!]

I was listening this morning to John Robbie and he mentioned that Prof Tim Noakes had put together numerous reports on the state of sport in SA (more specifically Olympic sports) and that report after report is summarily filed in some cabinet and no action is taken thereon.

His last report with a proposal was done a couple of years ago and would have cost R 200 mil to implement. Needless to say' date=' this was also ignored.


[/quote']

And as a result, Noakes finds this kind of thing a waste of time (rightfully) and focusses his attention on other things. We have the experts and we have the athletes. But unfortunately we also have incompetent administrators. I bet plenty of retired successful athletes/swimmers would do a brilliant job administrating their sports.

 

I bet they would make the worst administrators...

 

GET COMPETANT BUSINESS PEOPLETO DO THE JOB

[Sean Badenhorst]

 

 

Sean' date=' do you think that there is enough interest and collective will power to form a charitable organization that would have;

 

- one Aim; producing South African Olympic cyclists

 

 -serviced by many goals; those already targeted by many community outreach programmes?

 

As a registered charity it would able to receive Lottery funding, and any sponsor knows that funds raised are driven directly into the sport and social programmes required to reach the Aim, unlike the current administrative black hole....

 

 

 

[/quote']

 

PPWTF, it's a great concept. However, at some point there will be traditional administration to deal with and that is where so many sponsors have become disillusioned or been burned and have simply decided to rather spend their money where headaches and stress aren't part of the deal. I actually think that's partly why there aren't any corporate sponsors of the Beijing Olympic team.

 

[Dirty Twin]

Wasn't Sidney Maree charged with Fraud or something similar ?

 

My point exactly

[Sean Badenhorst]

 

I was listening this morning to John Robbie and he mentioned that Prof Tim Noakes had put together numerous reports on the state of sport in SA (more specifically Olympic sports) and that report after report is summarily filed in some cabinet and no action is taken thereon.

 

His last report with a proposal was done a couple of years ago and would have cost R 200 mil to implement. Needless to say' date=' this was also ignored.

 

 

[/quote']

 

And as a result, Noakes finds this kind of thing a waste of time (rightfully) and focusses his attention on other things. We have the experts and we have the athletes. But unfortunately we also have incompetent administrators. I bet plenty of retired successful athletes/swimmers would do a brilliant job administrating their sports.

 

 

I bet they would make the worst administrators...

 

GET COMPETANT BUSINESS PEOPLETO DO THE JOB

 

Many - possibly even most - retired top athletes/swimmers etc - even rugby players - are successful businessmen and women. But you're right, make sure there is a strong business element involved in sports admin.

 

[hot stuff]

I was listening this morning to John Robbie and he mentioned that Prof Tim Noakes had put together numerous reports on the state of sport in SA (more specifically Olympic sports) and that report after report is summarily filed in some cabinet and no action is taken thereon.

His last report with a proposal was done a couple of years ago and would have cost R 200 mil to implement. Needless to say' date=' this was also ignored.


[/quote']

And as a result, Noakes finds this kind of thing a waste of time (rightfully) and focusses his attention on other things. We have the experts and we have the athletes. But unfortunately we also have incompetent administrators. I bet plenty of retired successful athletes/swimmers would do a brilliant job administrating their sports.

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Add some money, and were away. Watching the artistic gymnastics, it broke my heart to see the result of the SA girl who has as much talent as the rest of them. She has to work for a living. When does she have time to put in the hours what the other girls put in. And the finances and the coaching.

 

And it applies all our sports.

hot stuff2008-08-25 03:47:15

[mallo]

Each athlete that went to the games was the top athlete in his/her field of choice hence they represented the country or that is the way it should be.

 

Questions on the cycling front.

 

 

 

Was all the cyclists the best in our country(all Disciplines)? If so how much of the allocated R60 million rand was allocated to CSA for the preparation of our cyclists and over what period of time.

 

 

 

Was this sufficient time and finances for such a task.

 

 

 

Did these athletes get enough exposure to international racing in the fields of choice, was CSA's road map clearly laid out to the cyclists and was buy-in sought from their management/agents for their full co-operation and preparation for the games?

 

 

 

You have to compete at the highest level if you want to stand a chance of winning a medal at the games, been the best at home does not mean you are at the level of the other athletes that race against oneanother at least once a month in Europe. An example is our long jumper how long has Elna had him compete in Europe over the past two years.

[PPWTF]

 

 

Many - possibly even most - retired top athletes/swimmers etc - even rugby players - are successful businessmen and women. But you're right, make sure there is a strong business element involved in sports admin.

 

 

 

Ok, so a charitable trust, headed up by ex atheltes, coaching

staff and professional  administrators*

(as Sean mentioned) specifically to produce Olympians. (the template used by UKon>

cycling)

 

 

 

http://www.fasttrackagency.com/

- where is the SA equivalent? *

 

 

 

The already established teams here in South Africa benefit directly, as they

are able to champion South African talent on a bigger stage, giving South

African athletes exposure to international performance levels, as Barloworld

originally did.

 

 

 

Domestically there is an established 'production line' which is central to

professional development of talent - a feeder route from which to drive the long

term talent development (sheltering developing talent is a vital roll in actually successfully nurturing it), in conjunction with the already established teams.

 

Socially these athletes are representatives of a programme

which gives to the community.

 

 

 

Sponsors are able to directly benefit through all the usual

means

 

 

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/08/24/ccolymp124.xml

 

 

 

"The tier one sponsors have many reasons for doing it - the

team's success is just a fantastic added bonus," said Jim Glover, managing

director at sports marketing agency Fast Track, whose clients include Land

Rover, Camelot and Heineken.

 

As well as BA and Lloyds, Team GB's sponsors include Adidas,

B&Q, BP, BT, EDF Energy and Michelob Ultra. None are likely to have joined

up with the aim of driving sales in the short term.

 

Glover picks out two types of companies that can particularly

benefit from association with the Olympics: those looking to set themselves

apart from close competitors that fulfil similar functions - Lloyds fits this

category - and those facing staff issues - employees at B&Q and BA have

been at the sharp end of the economic downturn in recent months.

 

"For a challenger brand the Olympics provides a fantastic

point of difference," said Glover. "On the other hand, for a company

having a tough time, the Olympics can act as a unifier." He adds that

companies work out the cost they face from losing staff during difficult times,

such as mergers or economic downturns, and judge it against the cost of the

sponsorship and its likely effect.

 

Setting itself apart from its peers was a key motivation for

Lloyds, Hancock said. "It was particularly about making a bold statement

of belief in itself as a bank. There has been a perception of the bank as a

relatively conservative organisation," she said, suggesting the

sponsorship was being used to shake up that image.

 

 

PPWTF2008-08-25 03:55:11

[KDEE]

The amount of personal bests and African records that were set by our sportsman and woman say it all for me.

[scotty]

Fine for the African champs, not for Olympic or World champs. Gvt needs to put together a plan to get correct coaching in place starting school level and going on to compete overseas.

[Sean Badenhorst]

Here's a thought ? SA cycling team members in Beijing that race regularly overseas:

John Lee, Robert, Burry and Sifiso. All did well. Course didn't suit Hunter so you can't expect him to have shone.

 

Team members that don't race regularly overseas:

David, Marissa, Cherise and Yolande. All but Marissa were outshone, although I believe Cherise just had a bad day and could have been in the chase pack on a good day.

 

Women's road racing is where we have a great shot at international success (read Olympic medal). CSA should get a major sponsor to create a SA women's trade team (or whatever it's called) to be based in Europe for most the year. Maybe Get 2010 organisers and SA Tourism to be major sponsors and use the team to promote tourism to SA and that big soccer tournament coming up.

 

I know you need a minimum number of UCI points for one of these teams, but then hire a couple of good riders with decent points from other nations and have a mostly SA team (say 5 out of the 8 required).

 

 

 

[KDEE]

 

Fine for the African champs' date=' not for Olympic or World champs. Gvt needs to put together a plan to get correct coaching in place starting school level and going on to compete overseas. [/quote']

 

Cant disagree with you,

 

My post was more in line with the original thread/post. The athletes went as far/hard as possible in my mind.

 

[PPWTF]

 

CSA should get a major sponsor to create a SA women's trade team (or whatever it's called) to be based in Europe for most the year. Maybe Get 2010 organisers and SA Tourism to be major sponsors and use the team to promote tourism to SA and that big soccer tournament coming up.

 

 

Really great idea - I know that in Oz they have already had government sponsored research into the value of cycle tourism. Now imagine hooking up a public / private sponsorship deal, with City of Cape Town and the Cape Town Partnership (or the equivalents in other cities), promoting the destination overseas whilst developing the sporting talent of the country at the same time.....

 

Sean, seriously, who'd you take this to if you wanted to turn itinto a formally developed proposal?

 

[Sean Badenhorst]

 

CSA should get a major sponsor to create a SA women's trade team (or whatever it's called) to be based in Europe for most the year. Maybe Get 2010 organisers and SA Tourism to be major sponsors and use the team to promote tourism to SA and that big soccer tournament coming up.

 

 

Really great idea - I know that in Oz they have already had government sponsored research into the value of cycle tourism. Now imagine hooking up a public / private sponsorship deal' date=' with City of Cape Town and the Cape Town Partnership (or the equivalents in other cities), promoting the destination overseas whilst developing the sporting talent of the country at the same time.....

 

Sean, seriously, who'd you take this to if you wanted to turn itinto a formally developed proposal?

[/quote']

 

I'm not sure. I reckon I'd start with a well-respected, well-connected businessman that has some political influence and an interest in cycling.

 

 

[The Saint]

All this is very funny to me. You are all talking of investing and programmes and so on but you are all to far ahead of the game so to speak.

 

See the Olympic Organising Committee could not even organize a proper fairwell function for the athletes nevermind plan as far ahead as what you are all suggesting. The function was an utter disgrace to any Olympian and at the function there was already tension between the athletes and the "Management"

 

Some inside info for you. Just before Ryk's event the Organizing committee were having a fat argument with each other behind the screens at the pool. When Ryk dived in they were still having a go at each other - so much for support.

 

Natalie had to wake up at 4am to get to her events because she stayed so far away.

 

Clothing was an utter balls up but let's not get into too much detail about that. In fact some athletes from other countries refused to swap clothes with our guys cause they were so Fugly and made from completely the wrong material for athletes in 90% humidity. Wonder who is getting the kick back from this deal?

 

Our esteemed Sivel Medalist, Khotso Mokoena's welcoming back to the country was organized 1 hour before he arrived. The wankers didn't even know what flight he was on!!

 

And now tell me about planning ahead. It's a pipe dream.