iBike power meter

[GoLefty!!]

perhaps I-bike will in future be able to offer solutions for those sports..meaning it could be a better overall solution for many who do more than ride a bike

[bruce]

 

 

For Bike max and Bruce

 

Wonder....After considering all the pro's and cons - IF you had to choose only one' date=' between a HRM, Power measuring device (without a hrm function) to train with - which would you choose?

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Power Measuring Device for cycling.

 

Polar with a foot pod for running.

 

[bruce]

 

So bruce/bikemax' date=' you tell me you'll do all training based on power??[/quote']

 

Yes, I do.

 

[bruce]

 

BikeMax' date=' what would you prefer? A iBike, a PowerTap or an SRM[/quote']

 

My preference would be a PT, then an SRM and then if I had no other option, an I bike.

 

Seen from a purely neutral, unemotional perspective

 

[bruce]

 

Be that as it may' date=' how do you explain the woman at 24 Hour World Champs? In the shorter races, and by this I mean 100 milers, they get annihilated but in the 24 hour racing they finish in and around the people that are killing them in the 100 milers. I've always wondered?

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Principle of specificity, discussed ad nauseum on the core strength thread.

 

 

[BikeMax]

 

BikeMax' date=' what would you prefer? A iBike, a PowerTap or an SRM[/quote']

 

My preference would be a PT, then an SRM and then if I had no other option, an I bike.

 

Seen from a purely neutral, unemotional perspective

 

Of course

 

[TitusTi]

Be that as it may' date=' how do you explain the woman at 24 Hour World Champs? In the shorter races, and by this I mean 100 milers, they get annihilated but in the 24 hour racing they finish in and around the people that are killing them in the 100 milers. I've always wondered?

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Principle of specificity, discussed ad nauseum on the core strength thread.

 

 

What specificity? Let me clarify, the girls aren't training specifically for 24 hours and the boys specifically for 100 milers. In fact alot of them are doing same or similar training. But the results in 2 different types of races are radically different?

[bruce]

 

Be that as it may' date=' how do you explain the woman at 24 Hour World Champs? In the shorter races, and by this I mean 100 milers, they get annihilated but in the 24 hour racing they finish in and around the people that are killing them in the 100 milers. I've always wondered?

[/quote']

 

Principle of specificity, discussed ad nauseum on the core strength thread.

 

 

 

What specificity? Let me clarify, the girls aren't training specifically for 24 hours and the boys specifically for 100 milers. In fact alot of them are doing same or similar training. But the results in 2 different types of races are radically different?

 

Reaching the world champs in a certain discipline would require some form of specialisation surely?

 

Secondly, there are genetics.  Muscle composition and fat utilisation would have a huge role to play.  Percentage fast twitch and slow twitch is largely genetic and would have a significant impact.

 

[TitusTi]

Not sure I agree with you on that. It's very interesting really how little is known about how to train for these types of events. The girl that won, it was her second 24 hour race, she beat people who had done many of these. And I really don't know what type of specialization is required, especially considering the fact that you needed to be able to climb up incredibly steep grades quite often, it actually isn't possble to just back off on those steep grades because then you walk. All the athletes there come from an edurance racing background and by endurance I mean 8 hours plus. Not stage racing where it's short stages followed by recovery.

I ask all this because I'm trying to find out all I can about it because I want to go back next year and get a decent result (Top 5).

[bruce]

I would say then that genetics have a very large role to play.  Plus probably a lot of mental aspects as well.

 

I have absolutely no idea of the right way to train for something like this, I can only speculate.

 

[TitusTi]

Thanks Bruce, your comments have been helpful, but like you say at the end of the day no one really knows, it's a large grey area. I mean the guy that won US 24 hour champs last year did a couple of complete 24 hour training days, then he changed to a professional coach after that and this year he came 15th? I don't agree with the way he was training but maybe he's onto something?

[bruce]

Logic tells me that you must try at least to train the way you race.  Sure, 24 hour training sessions would not be easy to do vary often, but certainly volume of training must be huge.

 

The concept of reverse periodisation has been bouncing around, possibly this applies.  My very limited understanding of this concept is that you build up your speed first, and then increase your volume at that speed - I could be wrong though - Bikemax may have some better comments on this one.

 

 

 

[TitusTi]

A couple of the State side guys have been making rumblings along those lines as well. I don't know of to many guys who could actually do a 24 hour training session though. Then again it was just that 1 guy that did it, the rest of them all do it differently and results at the end are kind of similar. Except for 2 guys who were head and shoulders above anyone else. Interesting thing is they also had different training regimes. For a start the one is a full-time professional and the other has a job and fits his training time around that.

[BikeMax]

I really think that a long duration event like this is going to be all about aerobic capacity.

 

The higher aerobic capacity you have, the more headroom you have and the more you are going to recover from any higher intensity efforts that are unavildable on those steeper climbs.

 

I can see why a longer training session would certainly be of benefit in terms of specific training but also in terms of pacing (which I am convinced is a key part of the strategy)

 

I would think a combination of training designed to stimulate FTP as well as endurance would be the way to go. This might involve some V02 Max work to raise the ceiling before the FTP focus (as Bruce has alluded to in earlier posts)

 

Given the long prep period you have now I would think that some long stuff as early as possible and also a carefully planned ramp in terms of weekly training load would be a good idea. This is an ideal application for the Performance Manager Chart that we are now using - to plan weekly load and manage Chronic load (fitness)

 

[Peter VW]

I am selling my ibike pro & cadence for R2800.00. Used twice.

[BikeMax]

 

I am selling my ibike pro & cadence for R2800.00. Used twice.[/quote']

 

Peter - out of interest, why are you selling it ?