Alberton _ JHB South Riders

[Slave]

Eish dude friend of mine. Seems like you being a bit of a hooglian without me there to keep you  on the straight and narrow.

 

I best get back on the bike and get fit so I can keep you in line.  You giving riders like me a good name again?

 

Will pop by later and chat about my future riding plans. Seems my recovery layoff has made me soft.

 

[Andyr249]

Pretty simple' date=' the rider in question from Cycle Lab rode on the wrong side of the ride with a car overtaking the bunch from behind. This rider acted irresponsible and continued to drift right  forcing the car off the road. This not only puts his life in danger but the rest of the group![/quote']

 

Was this rider in question over the white line?

 

If so, how far?

[Cyclewizz]

Eish dude friend of mine. Seems like you being a bit of a hooglian without me there to keep you  on the straight and narrow.

 

I best get back on the bike and get fit so I can keep you in line.  You giving riders like me a good name again?

 

Will pop by later and chat about my future riding plans. Seems my recovery layoff has made me soft.

 

 

Well best you go BIG then' date=' SBR on the 27th [img']https://assets.bikehub.co.za/legacy_images/smilies/smiley18.gif[/img]

 

BTW, email sent.

[Slave]

Cool Kid thanks. Good to "see" you guys again.

 

I see you been busy talking loadsa cr@p on this fred in my absence. Didn't even try to read all  that junk. Kieran, I see you becoming a hard core rider dude. Long distances, fast.

 

So, I need some shifters and wheels to build up the Petini again. Long story, don't even ask. I'll tell ya some day.

 

So much for the catch up, now, How does the defendant plead?

[Andyr249]

Slave, defendant pleads Not Guilty. I am representing the defendant.

[Chippy]

That would indeed be me

So was that you that was irresponsible enough to ride on the wrong side of the road on Saturday?

Maybe you should give some more details' date=' then I can tell you yes[/quote']

Its either is you or its not?

[Cyclewizz]

Chippy, sometimes things aren't always as they seem or there is a reason for what he did which you aren't aware of.

 

Come introduce yourself.

[Chippy]

Pretty simple' date=' the rider in question from Cycle Lab rode on the wrong side of the ride with a car overtaking the bunch from behind. This rider acted irresponsible and continued to drift right  forcing the car off the road. This not only puts his life in danger but the rest of the group![/quote']

 

Was this rider in question over the white line?

 

If so' date=' how far?

[/quote']

Andy, I'm not playing your games!

[Chippy]

Chippy' date=' sometimes things aren't always as they seem or there is a reason for what he did which you aren't aware of.

 

Come introduce yourself.

 

[/quote']

What are the reasons then? It was foolish behaviour, period!!

[Trubie]

That would indeed be me

So was that you that was irresponsible enough to ride on the wrong side of the road on Saturday?

Maybe you should give some more details' date=' then I can tell you yes[/quote']

Its either is you or its not?

I ride the Pinarello yes, I ride for the lab yes.

Was I irresponsible/ride on the wrong side of the road on saturday - No!

 

[Andyr249]

It is not a game Chippy. Here is an example:

I shoot and kill you. If I just walked up to you and shot you then it would be murder. But if you attacked me and during your attack I kill you then it is not murder.

 

There was a big group of riders who were riding safely and usually two abreast. The rider in question wanted to move up to the front of the group to chase some lone time trialist who apparently passes the group from time to time. There were no cars when the rider in question started moving up. While he was moving up other riders moved out into his path making him temporarily move into the other lane. At that point a car approached from behind.

What should he have done?

Plough into the back of the riders who moved into his path and cause a massive pileup in the group?

The rider in question informs me that the group which stopped a bit later was substantially smaller. So are you not just some rider who got dropped and now moaning? I think you are!

 

If this rider who was allegedly irresponsible was on blatantly and continuously riding in the oncoming lane then it would be a different story all together.  But he was just moving over to avoid a potential accident. He moved back over as soon as he could after avoiding the other rides. That does not make it foolish behavior!

[Chippy]

Andy, you guys drop me! After reading your guys posts ... I doubt it! we were all shouting car and Trubie continued to stay on the wrong side of the road and in fact drifted further right, the car actually went off the road! You ask what should he of done .... simple .... move back to the left hand lane , let the car pass and then continue to move forward ... pretty simple hey! Remember this is a training ride not a damm race!! Us cyclist are our own worst enemies ... always complaining about cars but instead of admiting that we are in the wrong we come out guns blazing with all the reasons why we can behave in that matter ... your are all acting very foolish if you believe that! 

[Andyr249]

When he started the move there was no vehicle.

He might have moved further right because that is natural instinct to avoid a collision. He was obviously moving at a greater speed than the bunch when moving up to the front. If something suddenly cuts infront of you you move to the side to pass it. A bicycle, when I checked last, doesn't have rear view mirrors. Trubie did not know if there were any riders behind him. As he was committed to the move and riders moved infront of him he had no option but to complete the move. In all probability he was planned to stay next to the bunch in the safest position. But then had to react to the riders moving out into his path. That forced him to reposition the way he did. Besides, an extra few seconds to complete the passing and evasive action who not make much difference. Lets take this scenario. Say he braked so that he could equal the bunch's speed and moved back to the left. Say there was a rider following him. That sudden braking could've caused a bad pileup for the riders behind. Also moving left would've squeezed the other riders further left. That course of action would've probably have taken longer than what he did do. He was caught in the middle and had to do choose 6 or a half dozen. Both what he did do and what you say he should've done are possibly not the safest, but the course of action he did take was the safer of the two.

Please point out where we moaned/complained about cars? That is irrelevant to the present discussion of Trubie's passing action.

At the stop where you part of the smaller group of riders? In other words the riders who were not dropped?

Did you actually go to him and talk to him in a civil way like an adult about the incident?

[Slave]

Guys, let's all take a chill pill here. I wasn't there so I never saw what happened, but I have to say Chippy, that only in an ideal world are things black or white.

 

Have to agree with Andy to a certain extent and say that if there were other riders who moved out in front of Trubie, assuming it was him and these are the circumstances, then I have to say he acted correctly. In a big group one cannot just hit the brakes or swerve back into the bunch.

 

Perhaps there are shades of grey here. (Sorry Andy, not taking over any defence here. Let's just get serious for a bit and reason this thing out.)

 

Chippy, I have riodden wiuth Trubie many times and he has always been a model of responsibility when I have been in his company as a rider.

 

I do agree that we are mostly our own worst enemies when it comes to cars and we are guilty a lot of the time. If it was indeed Trubie, perhaps he didn't hear the car warning shout.

 

Let's not beat each other up here but rather sort this out is a reasonable fashion.

 

Fair?

[Andyr249]

Slave, we are reasoning this out in a proper and reasonable discussion. Or at least that is what I am attempting to do while Chippy seems to think that this is a, in his words, "game."

When one makes serious allegations, one should gather information to support the allegations. One should be able and willing to state all facts relating to the said allegations. One should also be open to receiving the other party's version of events without blindly judging the other party. After having heard the other side be prepared if necessary to reverse one's own judgment of the situation.

 

Cycling itself is a dangerous sport and yes, being on the roads is dangerous and cyclists do sometimes make it more dangerous for themselves. Occasionally life has it's own plans and one has to react to those curve balls. In such cases a hundred people will tell you a hundred different ways to handle a certain situation.

 

This situation with Trubie was probably one of those situations in life where decisions had to be made in a split second but can then be remade after thinking about them for an extended period of time.

[Chippy]

Andy ... you are toss ... period! If riders in the group are shouting car it is VERY relevant!!!!

Andy it seems that you are realy concerned about my cycling abilities .... I don't have to prove anything to you ... ever!

 

Slave, Andy on behalf of Trubie has admitted that he was in wrong but continues to find excuses.