Maxxis ADvantage - LUST

[splat]

Those ignitors remind me of the Mountain Kings a bit.

 

I still cant make up my mind...

[Bos]

Right, Sorry It took 4 different posts. These tires are all reasonably cheap compared to Racing ralph/ mountain king protections.

 

I now have experiance with both crossmarks and Mountainkings which It seems are the two favourites.

I have to say Crossmarks are stil my Favourite. but I havnt tested the conti's in real mud.

 

So, heres some avalable to most of us, or at least on Chainreactions. 

 

The point of this not gutting one another but adding value to the forum by making insightfull or educated comments.

Lets see If there Is a alternative tire for SA conditions.

Winter is approaching and this means different things for North south.

 

I personally like the look of the wolverene a lot!

[Bos]

Those ignitors remind me of the Mountain Kings a bit.

 

I still cant make up my mind...

 

I might try the WTB's but Ya, I was thinking the same bout the Ignitors. And they will be as bulletprofe as crossmarks.

 

The contis wear so quickly if theres any tar in your ride..to expencive to get replacements twice a year.

[specialized7]

I ordered a set of ADvantage tyres from Bluesky cycling about 3 years ago.They were not available in SA yet.They are very grippy, but do not roll fast enough for XC riding.Conti MT Kings are great but do wear fast.BTW I think that Maxxis Crossmarks are the worst ever.

[Marius]

The Ignitors look like they'll work, I'd be keen to try them. Like you said, the Mountain Kings are awsome except they wear rather quick.

[splat]

OK, so the Mountain Kings are off the list. It seems like its down to the ADvantage then.

[taygan]

 

Great tyre!!!!!!!!!

[Iwan Kemp]

ADvantage review:

http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/components/tyres/mountain/product/advantage-tyre-31206

 

Ignitor Review:

http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/components/tyres/mountain/product/ignitor-23-ust-lust-30969

[taygan]

Crow, could not open the review on thr Ignitor, whats the outcome? Ignitor or advantage?

Personally i think the Advantage is more mud, Ignitor allround xc tyre

[Iwan Kemp]

High Roller Review:

http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/components/tyres/mountain/product/high-roller-super-tacky-235in-9236

 

Minion Review:

http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/components/tyres/product/minion-3c-front-tyre-9299

 

http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/components/tyres/mountain/product/minion-kevlar-dh-fr-20156

[Iwan Kemp]

Ignitor is summer tyre. Useless in the wet or mud or on slippery roots and rocks. ADvantage will be more allround.

 

But the High Roller recieved better reviews than both.

[Iwan Kemp]

Have a look at this:

puncture height is flattening height - the higher the number, the better.
They test it with a hetchet which falls down from test to test which higher and higher height. For example test 1 40cm, test 2 45cm, test 50 et cetera. The shown value is the first height the tire flattens. They test also for thorn proofness with a metal thorn. Thorn test isnt available for all tires. Class a is highest resistance, class f lowest.
the fields of use:
cc is cross country race
am is all mountain
en is enduro

RR measurement:
Rolling resistance: All tires are inflated to 2,5 bar. Then they are set up on the testing role without load. Then they are accelerated on 20 kilometers per hour. Now the resistance is set to zero to eliminate air resistance and bearing friction. Then the wheel gets loaded with 50kg. After a short time the tire runs again with 20km/h. The difference from unloaded and loaded run results gets the rolling resistance in watt.
movements in the carcass play a larger role than the tread.


mibro 2.25
rolling resistance: 22,3 watt
flattening height: 50cm
thorn: c
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 3/6 (more= the better)

2.35 nevegal
RR: more than 50watt
flattening height: 43,3cm
cornering stability/ability: 6/6 (more= the better)
traction: 6/6 (more= the better)

nobby nic 2.4 triple
RR: 28,0 watt
flattening height: 70cm
thorn: a
cornering stability/ability:6/6 (more= the better)
traction: 6/6 (more= the better)
(update bike 4/08)
100% am

furious fred 2.0
RR: 19,9watt
flattening height: 42,5cm
thorn: e
cornering stability/ability:2/6 (more= the better)
traction: 2/6 (more= the better)

racing ralph 2.25 triple 2007
RR: 26,2 watt
flattening height: 65cm
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)
85% cc 15% am

racing ralph 2.25 evo TUBELESS 2008
RR: 19,8 watt
flattening height: 80cm
thorn: b
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)

smart sam 2.1
RR: 28,9 watt
flattening height: 55cm
thorn: b
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 5/6 (more= the better)
100% cc

fat albert
RR: 34,4 watt
flattening height: 78cm
thorn: no information
cornering stability/ability:6/6 (more= the better)
traction: 6/6 (more= the better)

little albert light (old test from 2004!)
RR: 32,1 watt
flattening height:-
thorn: -
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 5/6 (more= the better)

big betty 2.4 triple
RR: 32,2 watt
flattening height: 110cm
thorn: c
cornering stability/ability:6/6 (more= the better)
traction: 6/6 (more= the better)
(comment in the bike-test: big betty should have been rated 7/6 in traction and cornering stability)
15% am 85% ed

hutchinson python ng mrc medium 2.25
RR: 36,4watt
flattening height: 70cm
thorn: b
cornering stability/ability:4/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)
15% cc 85% am

hutchinson barracuda tubeless light
RR: 35,4watt
flattening height: 70cm
thorn: d
cornering stability/ability:3/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)
100% am

hutchinson toro 2.15
RR: 37,6watt
flattening height: 60cm
thorn: c
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 5/6 (more= the better)
30% cc 70% am

hutchinson piranha mrc medium 2,3
RR: 40,8 watt
flattening height: 70cm
thorn: b
cornering stability/ability:3/6 (more= the better)
traction: 2/6 (more= the better)
50% cc 50% am

larsen tt 2,3 exception
RR: 36,6 watt
flattening height: 85cm
thorn: c
cornering stability/ability:3/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)
50% cc 50% am

mountain king 2.4 protection
RR: 32,5 watt
puncture height: 65cm
thorn: d
cornering stability/ability:6/6 (more= the better)
traction: 6/6 (more= the better)
50% am 50% en

speed king 2.1 supersonic
RR: 29,6 watt
puncture height: 40cm
thorn: e
cornering stability/ability:3/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)
90% cc 10% am

speed king 2.3 supersonic
RR: 27,9 watt
puncture height:50cm
thorn: e
cornering stability/ability:4/6 (more= the better)
traction: 5/6 (more= the better)
10% cc 90% am

race king 2.2
RR: 23,9 watt
flattening height: 55cm
thorn: f
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)
85% cc 15% am

diesel protection
RR: 43,5 watt
flattening height: 75cm
thorn: c
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)
100% ed

explorer 2.1 supersonic
RR: 28,5 watt
flattening height: 40cm
thorn:c
cornering stability/ability:3/6 (more= the better)
traction: 3/6 (more= the better)
100% cc

specialized the captain 2
RR: 39,2 watt
flattening height: 85cm
thorn: c
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 5/6 (more= the better)
50% cc 50% am

specialized resolution 2.1
RR: 38,5 watt
flattening height: 65cm
thorn: d
cornering stability/ability:4/6 (more= the better)
traction: 5/6 (more= the better)
25% cc 75% am

nokian nbx 2.3
RR: 26,8 watt
flattening height: 35cm
thorn: -
cornering stability/ability:4/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)

maxxis crossmark 2.1 exception
RR: 27,4 watt
flattening height: 55cm
thorn: b
cornering stability/ability:3/6 (more= the better)
traction: 3/6 (more= the better)
100% cc

maxxis high roller 2.35 tubeless
RR: over 45 watt
flattening height: 70cm
thorn: a
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 6/6 (more= the better)
100% ed

maxxis ignitor exception 2.1
RR: 34,3 watt
flattening height: 36,7cm
thorn: -
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 6/6 (more= the better)

maxxis ignitor exception 2.35
RR: 32,3 watt
flattening height: 55cm
thorn: -
cornering stability/ability:4/6 (more= the better)
traction: 5/6 (more= the better)

wtb mutano raptor (tested as all-mountain. maybe because of that only 2/6 cornering points)
RR: 30,7 watt
flattening height: 65cm
thorn: d
cornering stability/ability:2/6 (more= the better)
traction: 3/6 (more= the better)

kenda karma 2.2
RR: 41,3 watt
flattening height: 65cm
thorn: e
cornering stability/ability:4/6 (more= the better)
traction: 5/6 (more= the better)
80% am 20% ed

kenda small block eight 2,1
RR: 34,2 watt
flattening height: 55cm
thorn: c
cornering stability/ability:4/6 (more= the better)
traction: 5/6 (more= the better)

IRC trailbear 2.25 (2004 tested, got the "bang for the buck" award! (costs about 10? here in germany)
RR: 32,5 watt
flattening height: 41,67cm
thorn: -
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 5/6 (more= the better)

vredestein tiger claw 2,1
RR: 26,2 watt
flattening height: 67,5cm
thorn: c
cornering stability/ability:4/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)
45% cc 55% am

cornering/ traction points are given compared to tires of the same class.
here are the new tests:

CC-Race:

maxxis monorail exception 2.1
RR: 26,3 watt
flattening height: 55cm
thorn: b
cornering stability/ability:4/6 (more= the better)
traction: 3/6 (more= the better)
100% cc

ritchey zmax intuition 2.0 wcs
RR: 38,2 watt
flattening height: 45cm
thorn:d
cornering stability/ability:4/6 (more= the better)
traction: 5/6 (more= the better)
100% cc

schwalbe rocket ron 2,25 (stats: 436g weight, available in 2.1" and 2.4" and 2.1"/2.25" tubeless)
RR: 24,7 watt
flattening height: 52,5cm
thorn: c
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction:5/6 (more= the better)
85% cc, 15% am

wtb wolverine 2.2
RR: 25,9 watt
flattening height: 65cm
thorn: d
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)
95% cc, 5% am

all mountain tires

continental rubber queen 2.2"
RR: 29,8 watt
flattening height: 70cm
thorn: c
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)
85% am, 15% ed

ritchey zmax premonition 2.25 wcs
RR: 35,2 watt
flattening height: 67,5cm
thorn: f
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)
100% am

specialized purgatory 2.2 s-works 2bliss
RR: 37,2 watt
flattening height: 70cm
thorn: d
cornering stability/ability:4/6 (more= the better)
traction: 5/6 (more= the better)
85% am, 15% ed

enduro tires

continental rubber queen 2.4"
RR: 42,7 watt
flattening height: 75cm
thorn: d
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 6/6 (more= the better)
100% ed

maxxis ardent 2.4" 60a folding
RR: 36,3 watt
flattening height: 80cm
thorn: c
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)
15% am, 85% ed

schwalbe fat albert 2.4" front and rear
RR: 29,9 watt
flattening height: 83,75cm
thorn: b
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 5/6 (more= the better)
45% am, 55% ed

[splat]

Thanks for all the advice Crow.

I would like a UST tyre and I think 2.35 is a bit fat for my Anthem frame, so looks like its the ADvantage for me.

[Bos]

Ya personally

 rolling resistance is                      #1

relieability/ protection                   #2

Cornering stability                        #3

 

But without of course being a semi slick.

 

I read a review on the Advantage where MBUK said great for hard pack/medium/even mud but not gripping on hard wet surfaces. Best In rocky conditions.

 

This is what we have in cape town. Im also interested in the Ignitor though.(obviously the 2.10) and the Wolverene which have a beautiful tread pattern.

 

Now what to use for the back??

 

Lets all get one and ride them a while and then swap

BOS10002009-03-11 00:35:29

[Bos]

Thanks for all the advice Crow.

I would like a UST tyre and I think 2.35 is a bit fat for my Anthem frame' date=' so looks like its the ADvantage for me.

[/quote']

 

Ya I think Crow smaaks a bit of Trail action! Crow we are more the "race snake" kind when It comes to tires bud, so looking at 2.2 or 2.1

 

Having said that, we must hook up for a ride! Tokai or something. Remember seeing you that time at the trailhead, you were so kind as to let us go In front of you. what a nice guy..

 

Anyway.. tires... We should do our own tire shootout! each guy puts a different tire on and we swop wheels

 

Splat let us know when youre ordering.

[splat]

Still waiting for Mutual and Federal to get to grips with thier new filing system or something...

 

Also waiting for a few items to re strock @ CRC, which might be soon according the the email reply I got from them yesterday.

 

so get your shopping lists in order so we are good to go when the time comes.