IS THIS CHEATING??

[BrettAS]

Riders starting one race and then changing their minds and doing a shorter race is becoming a REAL problem!!

 

effectively this is CHEATING, or am i over reacting??

 

personally, i understand if somebody gets to a certain point and then doesnt feel good etc and decides to do a shorter race (you never get people doing the longer race!!). but then if you do this, make sure you dont cross the finish line.

 

maybe people are unaware of the timing and results chaos this causes when people finish a race they are not entered into. then on top of it all, people STILL COLLECT A PRIZE FOR A RACE THEY HAVE NOT FINISHED. that is shocking form!!

 

how can we stop this??

[Tumbleweed]

surely their race number would be recorded against their names as entrants in either distance. no?

[Barend de Arend]

 

how can we stop this??

 

Put a timing mat on the long route?

 

[GTfan]

You can't stop this, but maybe not give the person a time or seeding?? but then you might get some people who think they can do the long rides and then can't cos maybe some of them suffer from asthma and stuff like that.. Just my 2c

[fandacious]

well as far as MTB goes, I dont see any problem with it - as long as you notify the organizers that you did the sorter route.

 

its not like there is bunch riding in mtb, so no advantage is gained by starting with the long route okes

[Dirt*girl™]

That is not cheating..it's a DNF for the long distance!

[AndreZA]

You will always get it. The same way you get licenses riders start in lower groups because they "don't feel too good" and stuff up racing for everybody else in that group.

[Kansas]

Timing mat on long route yes. The tour durban got a timing mat at the turn point of the long route to ensure you cross it, as the fountains race in benoni did not have a mat on the long route, believe they will be able to cheat then.

[NotSoBigBen]

That is not cheating..it's a DNF for the long distance!

 

Damn right it's a DNF!

[cyclenut]

there's usually a timing mat on the longer loop which the shorter route particpants will not cross- e.g Cansa Lost City.  Official Result DNF/DQ.

 

Can't stop them colelcting medals and cokes for which they are not deserving.  It's up to conscience.

[Guest Big H]

 

I once ended third in a road race. It did wonders to my seeding and I was quite chuffed. I beat quite a few so called Elites. Championchip made a mistake with the results. I would not have been able to collect any prize money as there were Officials present who identified the people collecting prizes.

 

I do not see it as cheating to do the shorter race. What I do see as cheating is that person collecting prize money. That person should be blixem'd.

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[linnega]

You can't and shouldn't stop it.  I know many that did the short route at Eston simply because it was no fun out there.  I assume you recorded them as DNF's in the long race.  If the rider wants to start at a reasonable hour (after 9am is far too late) and has decided to do the short race but entered the long race, then logically they would start with the long race and take an early turnoff.  If I had entered the long race, I would have done exactly that - in fact, I considered upgrading to the long race, just to get an earlier start and then turn early.

 

What is the problem with any of the above as an organiser?  I think you need to bear in mind that many (if not most) enter races to get access to the routes and to ride with a bigger crowd than to "race", so time is irrelevant.

[GTfan]

But people who do that actually lose out, cos not only don't they collect any prize money, but they'd be paying all that money for the longer race, to change their minds for the shorter one.. it's like paying more or less R130 for a 18/20km event

[BrettAS]

I dont have a problem with people entering one distance and doing a shorter race. there are many good reasons to do this. the MUD at Eston was definately one of them.

 

everybody is also welcome to the medals, beers etc, because after all you ahve paid for them just like the guys who actually entered the shorter race.

 

the problem comes when riders dont tell anybody!! riders who enter 60 and only do 40 and then dont tell anybody are all getting better results, possibly prizes and very contentiously - better seedings!!

 

technically, these people should be DQ'd (or DNF if you want to be kind).

 

yes you can put timing mats at the split, but this is soemtimes a logistical problem and it increases cost! at Eston we couldnt get satelite reception at the finish because of the weather. imagine what it was like at the bottom of the hill in the trees.

 

the simplest way is for thos people NOT TO CROSS THE TIMING MATS!! its really not that hard!!

[vulgar]

 

what if you let the long route go first put a quad behind last long route rider and then set off short? wont that stop the cheaters?Or the long route turns left after say 500m and short route turns right at 500m...

vulgar2009-08-04 04:08:35

[markStockton]

Yes they should be DNF'd, but really if this occurs outside of the prize money and outside of the licensed racing categories does it really matter.

 

They cheated, they know it, you didn't and you know that. What is the big issue.