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"Dear Santa,

 

Please visit the Specialized HQ in California and load your sled with a Spez 2011 Camber Pro.

I promise to be a good cyclist and follow the rules of the road and the off-road all year. I really promise...

 

And should you have enough space, a Cannondale Super Six with red detail would be a great extra!

 

From Airbender."

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Wonder what this machine would cost - R45.000?

Like the Santa Cruz Tall Boy - in that same class? :rolleyes:

 

Ooooh! Awesome looking bike, but the Tall Boy still takes the cake! HOWEVER, I'm not picky! Any one of the two will do! :thumbup:

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"Dear Santa,

 

Please visit the Specialized HQ in California and load your sled with a Spez 2011 Camber Pro.

I promise to be a good cyclist and follow the rules of the road and the off-road all year. I really promise...

 

And should you have enough space, a Cannondale Super Six with red detail would be a great extra!

 

From Airbender."

 

Hi Airbender, just got a call from Santa. He wants me to tell you that your are doing fine on your Raleigh Team, and have no need for the Super Six! He is however still contemplating the request for the Spez!:lol:

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That SRAM crank on the 29er is hot!

 

I officially have a new dream bike. Pitty this year's bonus goes towards filling the hole the current dream bike made a year ago!

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En Gerhard Visser

The very first specialized were copies of gary fishers - looks like they have kept it up after all these years - blerry copy cats

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Hi Airbender, just got a call from Santa. He wants me to tell you that your are doing fine on your Raleigh Team, and have no need for the Super Six! He is however still contemplating the request for the Spez!:lol:

Aaargh! Damnit! :cursing: Maybe next year then.

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The very first specialized were copies of gary fishers - looks like they have kept it up after all these years - blerry copy cats

 

That would be funny were it not so blindingly ignorant. Now I've heard it all.

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That would be funny were it not so blindingly ignorant. Now I've heard it all.

that was VERY much a tounge in cheeck statement - although definately not ignorant - it is well documented that the first specialised frames copied the ritchey geometry (i.e. the fisher bikes). The only difference is that they had more marketing knowledge that the fisher/ritchey partnership. i dont think it was a underhanded thing though -as there was only really one frame geometry at the time!

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that was VERY much a tounge in cheeck statement - although definately not ignorant - it is well documented that the first specialised frames copied the ritchey geometry (i.e. the fisher bikes). The only difference is that they had more marketing knowledge that the fisher/ritchey partnership. i dont think it was a underhanded thing though -as there was only really one frame geometry at the time!

 

Simple, then. Show me the documentation. Fact is, the first commercially produced MTB was the Stumpjumper. Going back to the Mt Tamalpais days, there is a whole herd of speculation as to who designed or "originated" what, so your well-documented statement simply requires some verification.

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Simple, then. Show me the documentation. Fact is, the first commercially produced MTB was the Stumpjumper. Going back to the Mt Tamalpais days, there is a whole herd of speculation as to who designed or "originated" what, so your well-documented statement simply requires some verification.

Well - what i know is based on the klunkerz documentary. a lot of the discussion is littered amongst forums and blogs, but a quick google i found this:

 

http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=630034

 

Q - Was the original Stumpjumper more "inspired by" or more "ripped-off" the original "MountainBikes" /Ritchey Bikes that you sold. Sorry, I'm fuzzy on the original make and model that you sold.

 

How did Gary feel at the time? He could of been sugar coating it in the documentary.

 

A - In 1980 Specialized bought four Ritchey/MountainBikes. These were the basis for the design of the first Stumpjumper. which used the identical component group. The Stumpjumper was actually the second knock-off to hit the market. The Univega Alpine Sport, "designed" by another Ritchey owner, James McLean, who is also shown in the film, beat the Stumpjumper onto the market by a couple of weeks.

 

Every mountain bike built before 1985 was designed directly off the bikes we sold. In 1980 there was nothing on the market like it. By 1984 every mountain bike on the market looked very much like it and used the component group that had evolved out ot the collection of disparate parts we used.

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and that last paragraph was exactly why my statement was tounge in cheek - because there was only one design to base the frame on at that time

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