Caerus

No need for personal insults. Although it seems thats how you roll

Why would anyone think it's Big H/Eccentric1?

It's a matter of choice really. there is a thread about such a topic. Personally, my front brake is the right hand lever. Di you fall over while on the bike, or just fall over?

Bwah ha ha

We call them kooks in Surfing/ Bodyboarding.

I wish we still had the drive-in.

Looks sweet Is this yours?

Electric Coolaid Acid Test There is a new Irvine Welsh movie coming out, supposed to be the continuation of Trainspotting and is apparently pretty good, if you enjoy that kind of thing?

Well D-Day arrived today and so far not had a ciggie or a craving for one so far. Thank you Champix, thanks for also making me want to throw up, but you are doing your job. It has been about 12 hours since my last ciggie. I completely changed my routine around , so I can break the habits when I would normally have a ciggie. No coffee till I got into work this morning, drove a different route to work( I had wanted to commute, feeling to ill for that) Being at work, is keeping my mind occuopied and I have no more ciggies with me, I broke what I had left last night, so no temptations. Just hope this nausea passes so I can go for a ride or bodyboard this arvo.

Failure is not an option this time.

My last day of smoking today, I'm determined to make this work. Well done to all the others that have quit, keep up the great work.

I would love to hear what a bike shop owner has to say about this? Still confused as to how they include labour costs into the parts they sell, Like I mentioned, am I then being ripped of cause they include labour if I was to by a part from them. Should I get an automatic discount when I say I'll fit it myself?

They are doing nothing additional or extra, there is nothing that can go wrong, they are supplying the spokes, the nipples are correct, and I'm sure that they have built a lot of wheels with Hope Hubs & ZTR Crest rims. Nothing out of the ordinary whatsoever. The fact they charge the same for a rebuild makes no sense to me whatsoever. In my humble opinion they are doing more damage to their business then good. They just lost out on R1344 in spoke sales and R500 in a wheelset build. Must be there high prices and ignorant customers that are keeping them in business, good luck to them.

Exactly, when I recently had my new frame built up I bought some parts from the LBS, some they supplied, no difference to what I'm doing now. They charged me a bike build rate - No hidden costs or premiums.

This is what I said, he didn't really care, his stance was If you don't like it I don't care and you can basically F-Off some where else. This is why I don't usually use LBS stores. Does that mean that if I buy a part from them to fit myself to save a bit of money I'm wasting my time, they have charged me a premium because they have included labour costs in as well? No wonder this shop is always empty when I go there. They are taking the Mickey. No wonder your independent bike mechanics are making a killing. As you say, how do they survive?

Must be the same shop. They have a set price for a wheelbuild that should include whateever costs there are. I don't charge my customers more cause they bring in their own material to cut. If they will charge me the same for a rebuild, how can they justify their reasoning?

Short of telling the owner to get bent, I did exactly that. I even said to him he will lose customers from it, he says he does not care. Funny whenever I go there its always empty, I would think you would welcome any business.

So I ask them if they had to rebuild the wheel as suggested, they will only charge you R240, the stated wheelbuild price. They tell me because they are useing their tools, their labour I must pay more. What a crock of ****.

Thats a good question, I wonder if there is even a different price to do that to a normal wheelbuild, as they would need to take apart my wheels as well.

Thats the thing, there are no additional spares needed from me, I'm giving them everything they need. I've got someone else already ( I will keep them in mind for next time), just want to know if this is normal at your LBS, or have you heard of this.

Yes, but am I not paying for this within the R240/ wheel wheelbuild?

No, Yodiba

Racist, are you guys havin a laugh?

So I'm about to get my new wheelset built. I've called around for prices and find out that some LBS really are taking the pee when it comes to pricing. I decided to get my spokes locally from the wheel builder I choose. So prices vary from R18/ DT Revolution spoke up to R25/spoke, coloured nipples not included.Wheel build prices vary from R150 up to R240 per wheel. Now this is where the fun part comes in. I call one of the LBS shops I use, and they have built a previous wheelset for me. So I tell them I will supply the rims, hubs and nipples, they only need to supply the spokes, but for this privilege I must pay an extra 20%/wheel as I have not got everything from them originally, this on top of the R240/ wheel I have to pay. So when I add everything up including their inflated price on spokes it's an extra R750 Is this normal practice in the cycling industry? I know I will pay a cork-age fee at a restaurantt, I don't pay it if I supply the parts for my car to be serviced.So not only do they lose a sale, as they would not shift on their price, but they have lost potential customers too..