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Friend go and test a cow for hormones and see exactly what you will get is very high, i was a powerlifter around 20 yrs ago, i had friends who were world champ contenders and heavy on the hormone scene, 1 lost his son a few years later, anothers child fell seriously ill still not recovered believe me, the genetic changes and the damage is easily carried over, its no joke. Cows milk is not suitable for human consumption, and there is no cows milk in this country that does not have a high level of hormones in it. As I said a cow can ONLY produce milk when its pregnant, they milk cows the entire year, WHAT cow is pregnant the entire year, its called hormones. Believe it or not the scientific proof is everywhere, its also been shown that cow milk products ha a huge influence on breast cancer, again its not hearsay its fact.

I spend quite a long time in the dairy industry when living abroad, its a fact, and especially in south africa, that the hormone levels in cows r extremely high. A cow can only be milked when its pregnant, they milk cows 365 days of the year, cows r not pregnant for that long. So a lot of research has been done and if you look at the fact that RBST hormone is not any longer given to the cows it does not matter, as from generation to generation the high hormone levels have carried across. If you look at a Woolworths Milk label as an example and this one I photographed, see below. Its a very interesting statement "Free from added RBST hormone" BUT they cannot say its totally free from the hormone. Bottom line cows milk today is shocking, and it was never meant for human consumption. Goats milk, soya or rice milk from a health perspective is far healthier. Looking at the alternatives, goats milk is best, rice milk is unfortunately processed, and can be fattening, soya is the next best alternative, but soya has quite a few advantages, especially if its an isolate. It contains all the essential and nonessential amino's, no other protein naturally contains this. Also science has shown that soya contains phytoestrogens, which bind naturally to the estrogen receptors in the body and its shown to decrease the risk of cancer. As I tell my clients natural is best, we were born to live off the land, Abraham had goats in the desert NOT cows and there were no processed foods. What most people r consuming today is really a health risk, and one should always go back to basics, to keep it as simple and natural as possible. So my proteins of choice are soya or albumen, but soya comes first, I dont take anything which is an animal derivative purely because I dont trust the source of it, and i have seen with my own eyes what goes on behind the scenes. Remember guys health first.

Not the 32Gi chews they r designed to not get stuck in the teeth, not block the airways and not melt, and swallow and digest easily ;-)

Soya naturally contains all the essential aminos for muscle recovery, the problem I have with the milk though is it contains the fat and carbs of the drink, and its really the isolate you want. Cows milk = No no, contains too many hormones and in the long run is worse. Everyone says whey, BUT guys you need to understand the difference between a whey isolate and concentrate as there is a large difference and a big financial difference as well. The other thing is one of the posts showed a high % of carb to protein ration, again no no, you will only gain weight, you need a high % protein to carb ration, and something like 85%protein to 15% carb would be good. If you guys have any questions on recovery, its one of my fields of expertise feel free to ask ;-) later m

Deep tissue sports massage it works wonders, and next time you race, -> train harder, your muscles were definitely not used to the intensity you raced at and this is what did the damage. I always say you need to race often in your training otherwise you will never get used to the race intensity and then you are asking for trouble.

32Gi Chews are the bomb, taste great, no spiking, and crave them more than dislike them ;-)

I did this basic nutrition outline for Ironman it might provide some value if u r looking at 32Gi as an option ;-)

Drop me a mail mark@32gi.com, not sure if u r the one i chatted to a while back with a virus, all the best m, ps: i help 16 pro cyclists with their nutrition if u want to know what they do for recovery ;-)

Hi Garfield, here it is see below, this was written a few months back. Its actually very easy to churn out an energy product. If you have a look at the abundance of carbohydrates available on the market, minerals and other elements which are all freely available, one could really make their own drink if they really wanted. We at 32Gi, do things a little differently. For one, all 32Gi products are developed and tested by professional and amateur athletes, and there is a lot that goes into product testing before we even decide to put it into the market. We know that when you consume our product, we hold complete responsibility for what will happen once its in your system, and once something is consumed you have no control over what it is going to do. So how do we test products at 32Gi. Well its not simple, its actually quite painful and rigorous and some of us athletes really suffer until we are positive the product meets all our requirements. What are these requirements you ask? DIGESTIVE FUNCTION Firstly we test the impact of the product on the digestive system. This is so important during any sporting event. Imagine you are riding your bicycle and experience stomach discomfort, or heart burn. Not a pleasant feeling and definitely not where you want to be in the middle of exercise. When a person is training or racing, whether its low or high intensity, in any sport, we want to make sure that the digestive system feels comfortable from the beginning to the end. How do we test it? Simple we put it through the human test bed. We first test it with a contained number of top elite and amateur athletes, and we analyse every aspect of the product, from consumption before training, during training and after training. We want to make sure there is no discomfort whatsoever and that the athlete will feel good on it constantly. We then roll it out to a wider test bed of over a 100 athletes elite and amateur, and again we analyse the feedback. We do not tolerate even one athlete experiencing discomfort. If thats the case, we analyse him or her, we go back to the drawing board and we put the product back through its testing phases. FUNCTIONALITY The next step is of course functionality. Can the product do what it is designed to do. We certainly make sure it does. We use the same test bed of professional and amateur athletes, across a multitude of sports. Our main product function must be balanced and sustainable energy, and we do time measurements with consumption as well. Testing the functionality of a product requires extremely strict dieting beforehand then consuming it and then putting it through its paces. This can be low intensity endurance sessions or high intensity sessions. We often take our testing to its limits even bonking (hitting the wall) as many times as it takes to verify the sustainability of the product under a variety of conditions.We incorperate periodic blood glucose testing before, during and after training to ensure stability, and to measure the sustainable effect.We question how the athletes feel at all phases of an exercise session. Emotional stress during a sporting event needs to be mitigated as much as possible, and product consumption can cause highs and lows, we are looking for balance. The product is tested across a variety of sports from swimming, cycling, running, triathlon, canoeing, motorcross, orienteering, squash, tennis, soccer, rugby and more. Once we are satisfied with the functionality we broaden the test bed, and analyse the results, we want a 100% success rate across the board, if it means going back to the design board and putting ourselves through these rigorous paces again then we will. TASTE This is such an important aspect of a sports supplement. Every person in this world is unique, each with their own different taste, and there is certainly not one product taste that suites every single person. At 32Gi we develop the tastes with the help of a Swiss chef who is reknowned for blending. We want to make sure that all our product tastes have a suitor, and are acceptable across the board. Again there is a rigorous testing procedure and this is actually sometimes tougher than a functionality test. Why you might ask? Simple, the pallet actually changes slightly during the course of exercise. After spending many hours in the heat our sense of taste becomes really heightened and often a product that provides sweetness can prove to be the least satisfying to our tongues. A product taste and texture can make a person reject a product totally during the course of exercise, and what is acceptable to a person at rest, might not be acceptable to an athlete on the ride or run. We do our utmost to ensure that testing is carried out under a variety of conditions. In the heat, in the cold and under duration in order to achieve the best possible taste we can for our customers under all possible conditions. PACKAGING Although its not directly related to the product. It is such an important factor in many sports. Take cycling for example, while you are riding a bike, how are you going to carry the product, how are you going to get access to the product, and when you do, how technical is it to extract the product from its packaging. These all have to be taken into consideration. Many months ago, we designed a new chew package, I went out on a ride, I reached into my back pocket to pull it out. I battled with my teeth to rip the top off the packaging, then I had to figure out how to get them out. This was inconvenient, and if I as an athlete experienced this, other athletes would experience this as well. To us it was unacceptable, convenience and safety was key. So we went back to the drawing board. What we came up with was unique. A chew that has a high melting point, and does not need to be contained within the packaging due to its heat reslient nature. The solution: Open the packaging before hand, pour the chews out loosley into your cycling jersey or bag, and when you want to eat, just eat, no sitckiness, no mess and no fuss. Quick simple access and convenience. We took this a step further for other sports. We got a query once from an athlete that did the Southern Storm trail run, and you are bound to get wet. He did not want to expose the chews to the water, and so requested waterproof packaging. This was a simple design change in order to cater for this gap. We were also asked to provide a narrower packaging for the chews. Due to their nature and not wanting to decrease product content, we enlarged the packaging size. Why would we do that when you want to narrow it? Simple, an athlete could now fold the packaging in half providing him the narrow packaging, but still the same calorie content. These are just simple examples to demonstrate the intense thought process that goes into designing a product which covers a lot of bases across a wide variety of sporting events. ETHICS Finally the ethics debate. This is where we really make sure we provide a product that is not just suitable for a professional athlete, but also for a child. We believe the simpler the more natural the better. We want a clean product which provides exactly what its intended for. Children have limited RDA (Required Daily Allowances) of certain elements whether it be a mineral, vitamin, carbohydrate, protein or fat. We keep our product ingredients to its basic and natural form, natural food is the first source of such nutrients. At 32Gi we completely believe that a person does not deserve a supplement until they learn how to eat correctly. There are no quick fixes, no miracle formulas. There is a constant need for lifestyle and health improvement and nutrition plays such an important role in not just sports and performance, but in our everyday lives. Once you have understood where your priorities lie, and you are on a path of proper nutrition, the supplements are there as a supplement to a healthy diet, not a replacement. The largest problem we find with supplements is that a manufacturer will look at scientific principals across 50 or more compounds which promise some sort of performance enhancement, they then pile the entire list of ingredients into a single product. When a user drinks such a product, he might only need 1 or 2 elements of it and the rest plays havoc with their internal organs and bodies balance. We again stress the need for a element playing its exact intended role, its not possible to do more, each person is an individual and each person has unique requirements, health in our labs ALWAYS comes first. We have a number of new products coming out shortly, stay tuned for more, but in the mean time back to the rigorous testing to ensure the highest quality products for all our athletes

Hi Top Fuel, its not really so much about heart rate, its about your VO2Max, remember at a high heart rate some athletes are able to take in and utilize quite a large volume of oxygen, so some athletes at 90% of max heart rate are actually still comfortable in their breathing and it really depends on the individual. Without using technology, shortness of breath is a great sign that you are hitting a very high threshold, but if you are breathing comfortably then you are actually in a range of being able to use that oxygen wisely, but the minute you become uncomfortable you are in a very high anaerobic zone and only a quick glucose feed will help. The more u train to make your body more efficient at using your own fat stores, for example water training and not relying too much on the quick glucose feed products and the fitter you become the more efficient u become at using your natural energy stores even at a slightly higher threshold %. all the best M

I will post it on this forum later on when I access my laptop :-)

I am a nutrition expert and of Course being an athlete am Heavily involved in the design of the products, I feel the pain of an Athlete so I understand intimately the requirements u might be interested to read an article I wrote on development it's a good read but u will see how well thought out and tested everything is :-)

Hi Garfield ;-) I actually am one of the owners of the company :-)

Cramping is 90% training, but 3 bricks a week? thats an over kill once a week is more than enough. The entire key to a great 70.3 is pace on the swim, hold back slightly on the bike and then cruise the run. If you put in the pace and effort required of each discipline you should not have any issues ;-), my next 70.3 will be my 19th :-)

They are not sweet ;-), toned down another 30% :-), all day?? its only 2.5 hours on the bike LOL

Just some things you should know ;-) a banana is actually low GI on average around about 49 where as medium is over 55, a low GI food does not only release after 2 hours it release immediately but it staggers the release over a longer period of time which provides you with more of a constant feed even though it's not the whopping load of glucose the system needs to perform at under higher intensities. The 90 minutes glycogen supply is theoretical it's possible to go longer or shorter depending on intensity however u need to remember that a Pre-training or racing meal is the key, those carbs will be converted into an energy source in around 3-4 hours probably closer to 4 if you have a decent low GI Pre race or training meal it benefits you immensely, asyou will be in the session when that energy becomes available, lastly the intensity at which you race will determine what u need to consume. You forgot one important fuel Source -> Fat, if what u r consuming during a ride has the appropriate insulin response and the intensity that u r performing at is below threshold u r capable of tapping your fat stores 1 gram of fat is far more powerful Than a gram of carb and u have enough store for 40 marathons, the problem is most people are too dependant on quick releasing products and they mitigate this totally, if u can use fat u can spare glycogen bottom line. If the intensity is very high, in other words u r battling to breathe then fat store tapping is also mitigated as the conversion of fat to energy requires oxygen and there will not be enough to convert, then at that point it's worth taking in a fast releasing energy source to allow for muscle take up. Pacing of course plays a crucial role but all the elements tie in and need to be considered carefully ;-) All the best M

You should just carbo load by eating natural foods, plenty of fruit and veggies and snack around 6-7 meals a day, you can use 32Gi to Carbo Load its the same drink you would use on the bike, you just drink around 2-3bottles a day 2-3 days before the ride, it will top u up nicely and not allow u to gain unecessary weight which happens with an over consumption of carbs.

Guys something you can also use as an excellent food source on the bike is the 32Gi Chews, each packet is the exact equivalent of 2 small bananas or potatoes in calories and sugar response, the best thing it does not melt in the sun or get sticky and wet, I have raced many IM's with them and they work like a bomb. They are also designed to fit perfectly in a top tube bag (see the pic below, its me in an IM, the bag can hold around 14-16 blocks at least = 8 bananas or potatoes. You van remove them from the packaging they don't go off or melt at all. You can run with them as well. The key is to stagger the feed on the bike, eating 1 block every 20minutes, or 2 if you really need to cure a hunger, have had my record run times after fuelling with these ;-), forgot to mention 4 flavours so u can vary the taste, they dont get stuck in the teeth, they digest easily and swallow amazingly with no airway blockage.

The tub has 20 x 2hour servings A serving can be diluted to 750ml,s on a cold day use more concentrate on a hot day more diluted as the aim is to consume a serving within 2 hours , in a 2l camelback the question how Much liquid are u going to consume each 2 hours, generally I would go with 2 -2.5 servings in a 2litre Hope this helps All the best M

Hi G You cannot do a pricing equivalent in liters as you always need to separate energy and hydration requirements. 32Gi can be diluted to 500ml 750ml, 1 liter if you want it just depends on how much you hydrate yourselves per an hour. As far as the energy factor goes, 1 serving of 32Gi provides at least 2hours of glucose release. So if you were out 20 servings per a tub you are looking at 40hours per a tub which is taking into account an average price of lets say R240, then R6 per an hour. I dont think you will find many energy products that can give you R6 per an hour of energy ;-). all the best M

Hi Ronelle we are soon launching 32Gi Recovery ;-), so the recovery will be taken care of as well, :-), will keep you posted, product has been receiving endless compliments from the pro athletes, and its been around for a long time we are finalising the packaging.

Geeez, you are going to if not already out yourself into a total fatigue zone, no ways you can perform on that you are totally overdoing it. I only ride 3-4 times a week, 4 every alternate week, where is speed work, hill focussed sessions, some interval rides, this program is not good, u really need to speak to someone who can guide u properly, would love to help, but currently i am so overloaded and DC is around the corner, my recommendation speak to a good friend of mine Donovan van Gelder www.cybercoach.co.za he was a pro cyclist raced in Europe for many years. all the best M

I definitely dont agree with you, not sure how old u r but using a sugar products since u were 11 does not mean that it has not impacted u negatively, sometimes these things come later in life. Also using a new product on race day is out of the question, totally disagree, u never know how a product will impact u on race day, it can affect your digestive system, meaning taste, stomach irritability, nausea if u r not used to the kind of release it has, and anyone that uses a new product on race day is certainly not a serious athlete, because nutrition should be planned before and stuck to, its very important. What you use in training for a race use in the race. As for using energy drinks for training with, there is where I disagree as well, one should not abuse energy drinks for training, the only time I ever use an energy drink is for sessions over 2hours, otherwise water is always best :-). all the best M

32Gi is NON-CARIOGENIC meaning correct the carbohydrate that is used in it, does not cause tooth decay.

Guys in all honesty keep the kids off the sugar spiking drinks, it really is no good for them and its also cariogenic meaning teeth destroying. A child does not take an adult serving of 32Gi, they can have half a serving, not sure what the gentleman gave his child as far as dosage goes, but one scoop in a bottle will be plenty as opposed to a 50gram for an adult. Even a 1/3 of a serving should be sufficient for a 15yr old. As a nutritionist I beg parents to keep the kids away from the sugar products, one of the biggest rates of diabetes is between the ages of 9-12 and its growing, its not genetic its diet related.