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  1. Would also like to know. A pet peeve of mine is being overtaken by an ebike rider on a climb, just to be held up at the next technical single track sections with no overtaking space. But having seen eBikes become more and more normal over the past few years, one thing is very clear, over 40+ Km distances, eBikes are no faster than any other bike. I have done team/dou rides where I’m on my trail bike and my partner on an eMTB, and even that didn’t cause any issues. as long as they aren’t competing for a podium along real athletes, eBikes aren’t an issue within the amature peloton, and, no matter what, a weekend warrior on an ebike isn’t even going to keep up with the real athletes beyond the first couple of km anyway.
  2. Being inspired by the “events being cancelled again” thread, where I probably got a little emotionally involved and while trying to make a profound point, probably just lost everyone’s interest by overdoing things, and learned what TLDR means???? But, what sort of events do you, as a rider wish to see? Keeping in mind what you now know pandemic wise, and being reasonable about your expectations of what can be done/offered by organisers? when paying R1500+ per day (which relates to a very comfortable hotel/guesthouse/Lodge/BnB rate), what sort of facilities/amenities do you expect? realising participation would be limited to somewhere between 30% and 50% of pre pandemic levels, how much of a premium/surcharge would you be willing to pay to still be able to do your favourite 3 day stage race?
  3. I humbly apologise. As mentioned in a post above, I was a little triggered by the events of the past week, and the comment about events organisers being “lazy” set me off. Also, I learned what TLDR means now, and will keep this in mind for future posts. With Hemingway being my favourite author, I should be better at just getting to the point… Everyone’s inputs on this are valid. We need to listen to each other, and those in the events planning game need to listen even more closely. Figure out what it is people really want to do, and find a way to offer that experience, within the regulations, or find themselves a new industry. Expecting to remain in business without changing and accepting the “new normal” is also not okay anymore. It’s 18 months since the wheels fell off, and locally at least, it’s 18 to 24 months away from any sort of situation that looks remotely like pre-pandemic life. PS: New Normal - I seriously hate that term, nothing about this pandemic is “normal”. The status quo goes against all basic human psychological traits.
  4. I hear you and agree to a certain extent extent. But you need to realise that a lot of these event organisers are also still under a real or perceived obligation to offer the events their clients booked and paid for for 2020. They have rolled it over at least once, in many cases now twice. They can neither afford to outright cancel, which would require them to pay significant refunds to some extent, or to not offer the event as originally advertised, which will cause entitled “Karen” types to insist on a refund because the service provided doesn’t match the service they were sold. Every roll over comes with certain substantial costs, but the organisers need to try put on some sort of event that at least resembles the initial event they sold their clients, and allows them to salvage as much as possible from the amounts already paid to service providers - assuming the service provider in question is still in existence by the time the event actually takes place. But if you charge a fee to support the rollover to new dates, you get lambasted. im sorry for probably sounding a bit preachy on the topic and maybe defending event organisers too vehemently, but the past 18 months has been seriously tough on everyone, I know. I thank my lucky stars I have diversified interests and wasn’t dependent on a tourism or events related income, but many of my friends and associates are. I have attended more zoom funerals for suicides this year than I have for COVID related deaths. Two this week actually, 1 a suicide, 1 a person who very likely would have survived an illness had they had access private healthcare, but we’re forced to give up medical aid as a result of lockdowns/loss of business and needing to choose between feeding their kids, or paying medical aid. As ironic as all of this is, at least they had the sense to maintain their life insurance premiums. So now the kids are sorted for the next few years, but fatherless. This unfortunately is not an isolated or out of the ordinary occurrence lately. I am still entering events that I enjoyed in the past, as long as I can afford to. If they get cancelled and I lose, I see it as an investment into the long term sustainability of the industry. I have entered more events this past year than I have since 2016. I’m sure I will be trying to sell a lot of entries in 18 months time once all the events can hopefully start taking place normally, and I won’t be able to attend them all.
  5. slightly OT, but also not, and damn those pesky “ethics” contracts they make us sign without reading the details (not that it helps, if you don’t agree to the T&Cs you don’t get to complete your studies) It’s that pesky stupid disclaimer they make you sign, especially as an undergrad, where effectively you give the Uni full ownership of pretty much any idea you might have whilst a student. There is at least one dude I know of who become properly well off on the back of a concept I came up with on a second year marketing assignment. He was a honours student at the time, working as a tutor under our lecturer, and I know the idea was given to him for further investigation by the Lecturer. They two of them are now business partners, and the company was funded in its startup phase by the University business incubater program at UP (Enterprise@UP). When they just got going with the idea, I was then third year, and a handful of credits away from my undergrad degree, I registered my concerns, only for the legal eagles to point out that my “idea” was essentially the universities intellectual property, and they could utilise/expand/grow it as they see fit. Some of the most expensive school fees I ever paid, if you look what these guys are sitting on now. I was properly bitter for a while, but then moved on. Lessons learned, and the last time I set out to overachieve in varsity assignment. From that point on I accepted 50% was a pass, 51% a distinction, and make sure to only put down ideas good enough to pass the assignment. Disrupting industries is best left for your own enrichments post varsity. I’d much rather have a case study in business studies textbook 10years from now, rather than a footnote reference in someone else’s masters thesis, or Varsity funded business success.
  6. I think it’s fair to assume your involvement in the events planning industry (beyond just being a paying participant is limited). This is a little bit of a harsh rebuttal of all event planners. The rules/guidelines are a minefield to negotiate at the best of times, even more so now, and the rules also keep changing constantly. I really feel for the event organisers. It’s been a tough industry since forever, but right now it’s near impossible. Beyond pandering to the expectations/demands of their clients, they also have to get go ahead from the local government most of the time (the level at which official sign off is needed varies based on the scale of the event). The decision to cancel/go ahead very often depends on the input/feedback from the relevant authority, and this would obviously change based on what municipal authority you fall under. If the current guy in government you need to appease says no go, it’s no go. So you need to check and recheck on a daily basis wether your will likely get the go ahead come start day. No one wants to be the event organiser that cancels the day before the event. But the final sign off of the event permit is done 24-48 hours before the event kicks off, and even then, the relevant authority can change their mind if the situation changes. So organisers have no choice but to cancel if they get feedback that implies go ahead might not be given. saying this is unfair etc because event A cancelled while event B is still going ahead is also non sensical. They are needing to comply with the same vague set of rules, but administered by referees with varying interpretation of the rules. on top of that, one needs to think about whether the required “innovative solutions” will be accepted by your clientele, or not. Or if it’s viable based on your business model or not. The fact that some events can go ahead and others can’t, is so much more complex than orginser A is lazy, Orgineser B is a champ. It will be a long time before anyone forgets Epic 2020 being cancelled literally the day before the Prologue. A week prior, the CTCT went ahead, with a record attendance. No one could have imagined what was about to come. By the time CTCT took place, we had heard of Covid, but had no idea how governments would react, or how things would be changed across the world, nor how long it would be before normality sets in. I have it on relatively good authority that the entire originising team was ready to go with the epic. But, the Western Cape government, specifically the disaster management portfolio, who are the duly appointed authority, appointed by the Premier to sign off event permits for an event like the epic, (Individual bivoucs/race villages etc amd stages also need to be signed off by the specific municipalities),decided not to sign off the event permit. Remember, this final sign off only happens somewhere between 24 and 48 hours ahead of the event, officially, in reality, it often only happens mere hours ahead of the start of an event. The MEC’s office declined signing off on the permit the Friday morning…. 24 hours before the official start. No event organiser wants to find themselves in this position. Understandably, everyone was up in arms after that cancellation, and I promise you, no one saw the cancellation as an easy out/lazy option. Remember, these events are run as a business. The larger events are essentially a full time job for the core team, and they need to be paid salaries for a full year. Suppliers are paid months in advance to secure services, with very strict cancellation terms. Race villages are essentially set up a couple days ahead of the event. None of the ancillary services are refundable. Catering is a perishable, the guys running the showers/toilets etc cannot find new work on short notice. The tents set up, bedding, bike wash, everything is a total loss if the “clients” in this case riders, don’t show up. The epic had the first 3 tent villages 100% set up, and the other two 80% ready to go. All of that a total loss since there was no event. Not an easy out/lazy solution for anyone. Most of the time, these events direct costs are covered by title sponsors, like ABSA, but the contracts normally state that the sponsor only pays over their contribution if the event is a success. So for any of these major events, you can understand the organisers are torn. On the one hand, they have a core team that needs to be paid salaries for a full year, come what may. On top of that, they rely on dozens of service providers that need to be paid substantial deposits in advance. With strict cancelation clauses. I hear the notion often lately that “they” have sat on our money earning interest for a year now…. That’s just not true. The events companies had racked up substantial expenses even before the time entries opened, and the sponsor contribution will only materialise after the event is run. So they carry huge risk/exposure. The sooner they cancel (once they get the hint from the relevant authority that the chances of an event permit being issued is slim, the higher refund etc they can expect form their service providers, in order to pay refunds to riders etc…. so, it’s all down to the relationship the organisers have with the applicable highest authority, the deal/contract they have with their sponsor, the terms of the deals they have with their service providers etc. The choice to cancel early, or wait till the government makes the call for you, is up to each organisers appetite for risk. But epic 2020 put all organisers on the safe/cautios path. I will refer back to this post a few times below. Unless you are in the industry, you can’t understand the implications of all of this. I take my hat off to you guys, especially if you own the properties you manage. I would have sold the “asset” being the buildings/property at a loss in April 2020 already and put the money into a different industry altogether. Yes, tourism will recover, eventually, at some time in the future. But South Africa is going to be left behind big time, most specifically due to our slow vaccine rollout. As long as we stay on red lists, while the world gradually re-opens, we will keep losing tourist traffic to our competing markets. For 10 years already, East Africa has been stealing away the clientele coming for the big 5. They have arguably even more of a colonial big “big game” heritage than us, and have a real and notable advantage over us in terms of wildlife product in a proper “wilderness” setting. The other action/adventure holiday market has been slowly but surely eroded away by the South American and Eastern European markets. Both of which are short haul flights away, and offer enormous value - without the major security issues/instabilities etc that our market is hindered by, even without bringing Covid into play. The US/UK/EU governments are less concerned with countries like Columbia/Hertzgovia-Bosnia/Pakistan/Egypt/Algeria/Morocco etc than they are with us, from a security point of view, nevermind the currently super peaceful countries like Chile/Argentina etc, and publish travel advisories accordingly. All these places offer a as good, if not better adventure tourism experience, at similar, if not better prices than we do. Our tourism industry is in deep ****, both internally thanks to our wonderful guvment, and externally due to series, open market competition. Western Cape establishment are slightly better off, due to the fact that tourists want to visit Africa and Cape Town, to many, it makes no difference if that “Africa” is the Masai Mara or Sabi Sands, as long as they get their table mountain and V&A selfie to finish off their “Africa” trip album. While this benefits the WC establishments, they are simultaneously also hardest hit by the unsustainable over investment in tourism services driven by the 2010 Soccer World Cup. Whether accomodation (especially BnB/Geusthouses), wheels operators, experiences etc. South Africa completely over invested into the industry in order to supply the rush in 2010. If any good can/does. One out of this current slump, is that it hopefully resets the industry to sustainable levels. for you personally, I hope you were one of those that was there before 2010, and is still there, sustainably after the reset. I think it’s fair to assume Freedom Challenge participants are a very different client to your typical weekend warrior, Sani2C, W2W etc etc. These are tough dudes and duddettes that mostly prefer being 100% self reliant. They are just happy to be there and to make it to the end in one piece. There’s a reason no one is doing the FC to raise “awareness” for XYZ cause, or riding in a CHOC cow suite, or expecting any kind of “recognition” beyond a polyester finishers blanket. They don’t expect manicured trails, overstocked fuelling stations catering for every variant of special dietary requirement, and a gender inclusive ablution arrangements. They would be happy to accept any concession the orginser needs to make in order to allow the event to take place, and would actually probably be happy to pay more, for even less support, just to say they rode the fully unsupported FC. (I admit this is somewhat of a generalisation, but I don’t think I’m far from the truth.) in contrast,the typical S2C or W2W rider is going to write a strongly worded review on the vents FB page, as well as Hello Peter and the huisgenoot, if the water pressure in the communal shower isn’t quite up to standard, never mind the Temperature of said water. Also, their better be a representative selection of vegan+Banting+halaal/Kosher, high protein, low carb snack options at the midday feed stop, as well as a suitable sugar free, gender neutral energy drink a every checkpoint, and a grass fed organic recovery shake at the bar at each overnight stop, to enjoy while having your post (65km, fully supported) days ride. Every single finishers blanket owner deserves a modicum of respect as a human being. 95% of the finishers medals holders of every one of the regular mass participation events is an entitled prick, riding on a fully paid entry sponsored by the company they are only loyal to until a better offer comes along. (Again, somewhat of a genrilisation, but also largely actuate) Wait till 24 hours before had, before being so sure. Like mentioned above, the final legislative sign off only happens a day or two before the event if your lucky. I do hope for the competitors sake the event goes ahead, but even more so for the organisers. Ecobound is a case in point here. They are a small business that is 100% sustained by running of 2 events a year, the Transbavians and 2Hell&Back. Neither have taken place now for 2 years. They got a lot of flack for opening entries for 2022 before having run the postponed 2020 event. I understand the reasoning behind doing this, because they needed to secure business for the future, amd could not have anticipated the duration of these restrictions. If this upcoming event is cancelled, there is serious trouble, and a family business, and at least a dozen full time people’s livelihoods is essentially stuffed. All those suggestions I can see are coming from a good/thoughtful place, but these all have real cost implications, and are in reality a lot less feasible than they seem on the outset. Add to that, the riders won’t be happy either way. There will either be too many or too few water points, the additional water points will either be understocked, or at the wrong distance or something. Especially for events with a reasonable heritage. I’d suddenly there isn’t a support station at the top of Mother, because there is now one at the start, and one after the descend, in order to spread them, everyone will be unhappy. also, how do you decide where/how to space the additional water point? You can have 50% more water points, but everyone is still only going to require support at specific intervals. So the extra points will end up being oversupplied, and under-utilised, while the normal intervals will remain overrun, and then there will be that one event the authorities choose to make an example of, and cancel mid event, because the 38km water point 2 is overcrowded. It’s an impossible balancing act. As mentioned above, different local authorities, different measuring sticks, different risk profiles. Impossible to say because a 1day event in one municipality can go ahead, a different, multi day event spread across various municipalities is canceled, there is something malicious going on. Pursuit challenge is a good concept thought up to get around some of the current regulations, and it works because it is the best current compromise. It doesn’t give sponsors the exposure/interaction they want out of events, and is not long term sustainable. Everyone thinks this is a great idea, until a mechanical or injury happens in the middle of two support stations, or even worse a rider hits the wall in but f@rk no where, and there is no backup/medic/shuttle 5min away. Like I said, Freedom Challenge/Munga etc participants are a different type. Normal paying pax are happy with everything until something goes pear shaped, then everything is the person you paid your entry fees to’s fault That said, I do like this thinking. I think we definately need more of this kind of approach. Not nescisarilly as an “event” or “race”, but rather more as an opening of access to rights to roam, like is seen in many other countries, and a set of recognised overnight establishments and catering options. Something along the lines of a Camino in Europe, but modified to suite local conditions. So something like permission for access across private property (required because of our lack of suitable public land and non existence of public “rights to roam”), but only to registered riders/walkers/runners etc who have been issued with a route “passport” to be stamped/checked at certain points along the route. A group of accomodation owners/operators choosing to collaborate on a fixed range of accomodation prices, a fixed price late lunch/dinner offering etc to registered trail users. Anyone who has ever done a European Camino pilgrimage (the proper way) would understand this concept. We have the so called MTB Camino in the western cape, but this is essentially just an unguided tour with a bunch of pre-book campsites along the way. Instead of events, we need regional tourism bodies to work out MTB “pilgrim” offers/plans. Imagine being able to take on @ 300-1000km ride, with a standardised basic Accommodation tariff, and a fixed cost daily lunch/dinner offering. I would do one these type trips once a month. I don’t want to carry tents etc and be self sufficient like on the MTB Camino, and camp night in night out. But a basic bed somewhere between a good backpackers and a reasonable 3 star bnb, a reasonable fixed price dinner and a carafe of wine, and authorised access on trails across private and public property, instead of just riding public access gravel roads. That is something I, and I believe many others, would happily pay R550-R700 a night for. This would provide a reasonable income stream for rural Accomodation/restuarant owners, and a decent value offering to riders, while maintaining control through a permit/passport program - actually I think this concept justifies a new thread all on it’d own….. maybe tomorrow. Agreed, more people Medco just go out amd do things, whiteout relying on an events company t organise it for them, the entire industry benefits from this. On the flip side, the South African scenario and our lack of free passage/right to roam does limo this much beyond gravel bike type trips. But yes, more people should be doing mor of this. As mentioned above. If they actually get the permit signed off and go ahead good for them. I hope they can manage the risk effectively. If the plug is pulled a few days ahead of time, I hope the participants accept the risk they took when they paid their entry, and everyone can come to a happy conclusion. Addressed in the first few paragraphs. The only way you can make a statement like this is if you completely have no understanding of the industry. That said, events companies/organisers need to start thinking creatively about their next phase/business strategy. Events like we know them are dead for another 24months at least in SA. Th rest of the world is opening up. But we have to accept the limitations our elected government have put on us. I’m attending eurobike in 3 weeks time, amd it’s looking to be the sam kind of event it was in 2019. Buts in Europe, with major vaccine rollout in place, protocols being adhere to, and poeple like us, owing from the third world, having to adhere to strict protocols in order to attend. a hotel in Zurich is getting about 600 bedniights sold, to vaccinate South Africans, just do a small number of us can attend the show in Spain. The unvaxxed are being left behind. I’m only vaccinated because I was lucky/gifted enough to spend enough time outside of SA to get myself vaccinated in a country that functions. before any normality returns to the South African realm, we need to reach 65% vaccination minimum. Before then, nothing much will change from the status quo. If you enter for an event in SA today, you need to accept the risk. But if you want there to still be similar events in 3 years time, yo need to support the guys trying to keep the industry alive noW, risk and all.
  7. The “you” referred to below is a metaphorical “you”, and not intended to offend Dobri or anyone else directly. It’s probably safe to assume you live in a house that is valued way above the value of the bricks and mortar that that hold it together. You wear clothing both on and off the bike valued based on the brand screen-printed to it You ride a bike valued primarily based on the sticker placed on the downtube But now you expect a race, with the brand power of the Sani2C to be priced based on the value offering? Why would it work that way? For the price of a Cape Epic entry, you can literally spend an entire summer in a chalet in the alps or Pyrenees riding unbelievably well manicured trails, does that mean the Epic is overpriced? The waiting list for entries would say otherwise. I expect this to sell out pretty soon, and Even though I haven’t done an “event” since 2015, I am actually pretty keen on this one. If it’s anything like the spirit and camaraderie of the initial Sani events, that alone will make it worth it
  8. No, it’s definately 15%. Less if the bike is actually manufactured in the EU, but that for almost all intents as purposes does not exist.
  9. After some consideration, and taking everyone’s opinions here into account, and also running the numbers, it’s probably not going to be worth the effort to go down this road. We will look into something more profitable to fill up the empty space in our crates, or just leave it empty. It’s not like we are losing anything (other than the wasted space). to confirm what a few have already summised, and to save the rest of you from wondering, the bikes in question would have been Vitus trail bikes. We would easily have been able to land them, delivered to your door, all duties and taxes paid, at about 25-30% less than if you were to import them directly from CRC or Wiggle. However, the consensus here would imply we would need to be at least half price for this to make sense, and that simply wouldn’t work. I was incorrect about the warranty being a multi user warranty, but my associate in Ireland confirmed that the end user/buyer - ie you, would have benefitted in full from the factory warranty. We would have acted as the intermediary in processing warranty claims, and handling shipping of replacement frames etc if needed, at no cost to the buyer, but we would not be providing a direct warranty ourselves. Indicative pricing on currently available stock would have been: Sentier VRS - +-R33k (direct order, plus the cheapest shipping option, using parcel force/SAPO would cost R38500) Mythique VRX - +- R35k (direct order, plus cheapest shipping option would cost about around R43000.00) When 2022 stock comes avaialble towards end of September, the Escarpe CR would cost around R45k all in, and the top end CRX about R78k all in. But, thanks for all the inputs, insights and comments in general. It would seem that the risk/reward ratio on this just isn’t worth the effort. And that is exactly what I set out to ascertain. So thanks to all for the inputs.
  10. Although I don’t surf, I have to agree. I have been using Suunto watches for almost 15 years now, and have the Spartan Ultra currently. Been considering a 9 for a while, but have been convinced my next watch will be garmin. The platform is just so much better in almost every capacity. Suunto has some serious catching up to do.
  11. So, you want to pay R35k max, for a bike that compares to another grey/direct import with no local warranty support, that costs upwards of R70K? That’s a bit of a stretch I would think. Remember though, the pricing you see on CRC is excluding shipping (about R6k if you want to avoid the post office, their regular shipping option of about R2500 is via parcel force, and the SA post office handles it on this side), and also excluding 15% import duty and 15% Vat. Our prices would be all inclusive.
  12. Fully understand that, but this is just a hypothetical discussion at this point, to gauge what the kind of price point is that people are willing to pay for a mid spec trail bike from a non mainstream brand. Not wether you are interested in buying a specific bike. This is not an advertisement, just a discussion maybe is should frame the question to you differently: would you be willing to buy a grey import trail bike? If yes, what price range are you willing to pay for a grey import of a mid spec 140mm trail bike?
  13. I’m loath to mention that at this point in the discussion, as there are a number of hypotheticals that need to be addressed first. Suffice to say they do have a number of riders competing in the EWS and UCI world cup - both XC and Downhill on their frames, and have a Continental World Tour Team as well on the road side.
  14. Thanks. This is interesting insight, and something worth looking into in more detail. I am sure we would probably be able to offer some kind of local support for warranty issues. But I would need to do my homework on this.
  15. Looking to get some input or more opinions from you guys. Being serious cyclists, you guys have a reasonable idea of the price of thing, and what good value looks like, so your opinions would be much appreciated. So here is the scenario: We have an opportunity to import in very limited numbers, some trail bikes from a manufacturer that is not represented in South Africa at present. Because we will be making use of extra space in our airfreight shipments, we are able to bring them in very cheaply, essentially shipping at no charge. But, this would also mean a waiting time of 2 to 3 weeks from order to delivery at your door. Also, as mentioned the bikes will be grey/parallel imports. They do not have brand support locally. You will however be fully covered by their international warranty. This is a 5 year multi owner warranty, and applies worldwide. But you would be needing to deal directly with the manufacturer in Europe on warranty claims. Our business would assist with warranty claims as far as possible, especially if sending the frames back to the manufacturer is required etc, but we would carry no liability/responsibility in terms of the warranty. There would be two options, an aggressive trail hardtail, and short travel (130-140mm) dual sus trail bike as well. Both options avaialble in 29er and 27.5 options. The hardtail is specced as follows: Fox 34 With Rhythm Damper(130 on 29, 140 on 27.5), SLX 12 Speed, a brand x dropper, WTB 30mm Tubeless rims, and Schwalbe tubeless tires (Magic Mary/Hans Dampf combo - 2.6 on 27.5 and 2.4 on 29er), and Shimano Deore 4 piston brakes on 180mm rotors front and rear Dual susser would have the same drivetrain and brake set up, but with a Marzochi bomber up front and RS Monarch rear (140mm front and rear on both the 29 and 27.5) If we were to bring these in, it would be in limited numbers. We could do a maximum of 2 or 3 bikes per shipment, and to make it worth while, they would need to sell them around R40k for the hardtail, and R50k for the dual sus. Note this would be the price delivered to your door in RSA, and includes all taxes and vat. If you were in the market for a trail bike today, would you: A. Be willing to wait three weeks for delivery? B. Pay those sort of prices for a imported bike with no local dealer network.
  16. Not sure what part you found hard to understand. under normal conditions, I just carry water, and then eat what I can find on route or at the trail head. when riding far away from civilisation, then I pack the snacks as stated. Since you only ride in Gauteng, South Africa, and only ride your MTB on the trail, not even gravel roads, I would be very interested to hear where you are riding, that has no where to refill water, maybe not from a stream, but not even at the trailhead. And also has nowhere to get coffee or patries/something else to eat. All the gauteng trails I know of, tend to have amazing facilities at the trail heads, and all the routes tend to clover leaf out from there, so you are passing back past the trial head at least once every 30km at most.
  17. I must be doing something wrong. I saw this thread pop up on the sidebar and was expecting to see loads of suggestions to save money on parts or servicing and so on, instead it’s a pager on even weirder alternatives to all the shop bought super fuels and energy bars. Surprised there’s no comments on alternatives to the normal recovery shakes as well. I do a lot of back to back 3 to 5 hour days, both locally and in the alps, and have never had the need for anything more than whatever is available from the local cafe or convenience store. Riding is my number one excuse as to I don’t need to count calories. So in Europe, the phenomenal breads and pastries hit the spot just fine, washed down by some coffee. On the bike, water seems to be enough. Whatever isotonic is readily available on really hot days just to help that extra bit. Nothing on earth beats slightly diluted coke though. Locally, there is usually no shortage of semi decent coffee either, but the bread and pastry just isn’t worth the heartburn. So I stick to simba peanut and raisin mix, and the fattiest “geelvet” biltong I can get my hands on. Some crushed cashews also work a treat. But in general I’m not a fan of eating while I ride. I prefer riding between spots, fuelling up and then riding some more. for long days in the back country, when one needs to be self sufficient, I do camelback with 2 to 3 litres water if it’s a dry place, otherwise just fill up from mountain streams. And one bottle with good old game (strictly naartjie flavour). Peanuts and raisins from simba, a banana and a few of my grannies recipe date balls. A few years back when I was trying Banting, I used to make my own protein balls from rendered beef or lamb fat, rolled into balls with crushed cashews. Freeze them the night before and eat them before they thaw out completely. Still do that from time to time just because it’s really tasty.
  18. Whatever is is you are trying to gain from this survey, I suggest you approach even just a first year marketing or equivlement Bcom student, that has at least passed first year statistics, and and get them to help you structure your survey, to at least get some useful data from it. if you are a first year bcom student doing this as part of some practical exercise, I suggest you go back to your study guide, take a few notes and try again. I realise this is probably coming across as a very douchey comment, but I mean well. Whatever your intention is here, I seriously suggest rethinking how you go about it.
  19. Okay. Thanks for clearing up. That said, with most of the larger online stores, I think you have a 99.9% chance of getting the product exactly as described. They do tend to use the generic/manufacturer supplied images and technical description. But you are buying brand new goods from them, so it’s understandable. They offer inventory of sometimes 10s of thousands of products. Expecting them to unbox and take detailed pictures of each item is a bit far fetched. Before online sale, it was mail order. You basically had a magazine or product catalogue to browse through and you chose what to buy based on the images and description on the paper. Online today is the same idea, except along with the simple pictures and description you have access to interactive sizing charts, up to date user reviews, and a simple mouse click away is the manufacturer website that should have all the technical data you need. This allows you as consumer access to a massive database of products, without the supplier needing high end retails space the size of a small country to display all the stock. If the business is linked to a physical store chain like cycle lab, the top selling products can be checked out in store. But you can’t expect to be able to touch and feel their entire catalogue. if for some or other reason they don’t provide enough information on their listing, as it’s a new/unused product you should be able to link back to the manufacturer website for more info. Obviously if the product as supplied does not fit the manufacturer description, and the variation wasn’t clearly displayed on the vendors site, you obviously have grounds to request a refund or return. In my experience though, this has never been the case. But you can be almost certain if this happens, it was through simple oversight, and they should correct it without any hassle.do not automatically assume malice. Some legitimate issues with the online retailers you have listed though are that they don’t openly tell you that most of the time they are actually dropshipping, and the stock they show as “in stock” simply isn’t, or just send you an email after you have paid stating that instead of 5-7 days as they said on the site, it will take 3 weeks. This annoys me to no end. This little gem on the evobikes site is case in point: I mean either you have the item in stock or you are dropshipping, which means you actually don’t carry stock at all. If you list something as in stock, you have it in stock, or at worst, you have signed a purchase order for it, and it’s secured, in your name, but still in the suppliers warehouse. Stock shortages from your suppliers will explain stock shortages in your store. But cannot explain stock numbers on your store being inaccurate. Not a single supplier I know of would sell stock committed to one reseller, to another reseller, without fort clearing that with you. In extreme cases like the current stock shortages, there might be a case of a supplier asking you wether they can sell stock assigned to you, to another reseller that has greater demand, and then upon agreeing to this, you will be credited for that stock, and. An then update your stock holding. But under no circumstance will stock you as a reseller own be sold to another reseller without your approval. that statement confirms to me that evobikes is forward selling, based on the assumption of stock being available, and then ordering on demand. Doing this, while leading customers to believe you actually hold the stock is unethical. They are acting like an approved reseller, while carrying no risk, and simply running a C.O.D account with the suppliers. It should read, “To all our customers - since we don’t actually have any stock, our stock numbers may not be accurate.”
  20. Sorry. Maybe I misunderstood. I thought this post was referring to private/classifieds/Bikehub type sales
  21. This specific case was dismissed. They did get a wrap on the knuckles a few years before along with few big bike stores, sOme of whole shut up shop and moved into other sectors within the industry when their protected mark ups where removed. fact of the matter is there simply isn’t enough margin in bikes and bike part. I you have two or three players adding a 10-35% margin, regardless of taxes any duties, there is just nothing left in the deal for the final seller (ie: the beloved local bikeshop) That is essentially why Spez is doing so well locally. Their model works, and works well. The end user doesn’t realise/understand how the supply chainfuntions, and they. Don’t need to. It’s just works, and at the end of the day everyone in the deal is happy. The concept stores are essentially franchises. They pay Spez for the luxury of access to their supply chain, at a reasonably affordable price (Spez has essentially the same price worldwide, give or take a few bucks for currency fluctution/duties and taxes etc). Essentially, if you buy a bike at your local concept store, or buy it in the states while on holiday (and claim sales tax back at the airport, as you should, and then declare your purchase and pay VAT and duties to SARS on arrival, as you should), the price will be basically exactly the same. in reality, your Spez bought locally is somewhat subsidised, in order to keep the prices in line with ROW pricing. The shop, which is actually a Franchise, makes very little on the bike. But they can stay profitable because they have access to the rest of the specialised inventory - tires, bottle cages, tools, clothing, shoes etc etc etc. They also get to make money on servicing your bike, as the official brand recognised service centre. On the balance of trade, everyone wins here. The shops are profitable, the customer gets a good deal (like it or not, and take away all the fanboy hatred, rand for rand, you will battle to get a better deal in South Africa for a bike with similar components). That is why every third bike you see in SA is a Spez, and this is not collusion, it is just a good business model, and removes 1 or 2 players in the value chain. but if you want to talk about collusion/price fixing in the industry, forget about local distributors, look at the international market. How various international anti-trust and competition tribunals have not managed to stop SRAMs slow and steady buyout of the entire OEM market is almost laughable. To stay relevant, Shimano has to now focus more and more on the high end and aftermarket industry. If a bike manufacturer wants to get a good deal on RockShocks forks for their entry level bike, they have no choice but to spec that bike with a SRAM drivetrain, tektro of SRAM guide Brakes. Oh, but you have a race face crank, sorry buddy, still sram. I know some might differ with me here, but quality wise, you cannot compare SRAM SX or NX with Deore or SLX. The entry level SRAM stuff is on par with non series or the other super cheap Shimano stuff (acera etc). But find a 40-65k dual susser with Shimano components, it’s a unicorn. That is the real anti-trust problem in bike industry… consumers are forced to deal with SX and NX rubbish because of this. Amd let’s not even talk about brakes. From entry level. Shimano stuff Is good, SLX are already really good brakes. SRAM level/tekto etc cannot compare. But to get a semi decent market accepted fork, The OEM industry is forced to go with the SRAM stuff. from GX up, SRAM compares with a Shimano SLX/XT/XTR, but you cannot with a straight face say SX NX compares with SLX/DEORE
  22. Yes, I fully agree when I am buying a brand new part from a licensed resseller, or direct from the manufacturer, for a project working under a specific SANS/EC/Etc or other ISO standard. But certainly you don’t expect the same when purchasing used goods from an online classifieds? you can limit risk by asking a few technical questions to the seller. And also, I agree, if your selling me something on the classifieds I would like a few decent photos to judge the condition. If you use stock images on a classifieds ad, I’m going to assume you don’t have the item in hand, and therefor it’s most likely a fake/scam advert. But I certainly don’t expect old Piet from Pretoria to know the complete technical details of the bike he is selling me, because he bought it for the one and only 94.7 he ever intended to ride, and realised this sport really isn’t for him. You are openly choosing to buy a used product, from a private individual, on what is essentially the 21st century version of a boot sale. If you really expect the same set of rules to apply, I sincerely hope I never have to do business with you, privately or professionally.
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