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Milkman

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  1. Not really answering my question there , are you ?
  2. Would you honestly say that a strict vegan diet for babies and toddlers living in 3rd world countries where people cannot afford any added supplements would be a good thing ??
  3. I wouldn't say that humans feed on carnivores " a lot " ? Apart from one or maybe 2 tuna salads a month I cannot think of any other type of carnivore meat I ( and I use myself as a "normal" SA adult here ) eat ? Then as I've mentioned a few times , to say that " slaughter is unnecessary for the overwhelming proposition of the population " is definitely not true . It is not necessary for a select few of the privileged population is more correct .
  4. I agree that humans are adaptable ( suppose that’s why we are on top of the food chain ? ). The problem is that most people in the world don’t have the luxury of choosing what they want to eat. Their primary concern is to try and get the most nourishment for the small amount of money they have. They definitely won’t buy a bottle of soy milk if they can get it from their cow for free. Neither will they get some chia seeds to try and replace their eggs that they can get from their chicken. There are a heck of a lot of people ( 3.2 billion , or 45% of the worlds population in fact -https://www.globalagriculture.org/report-topics/industrial-agriculture-and-small-scale-farming.html ) that live in rural areas. Most of those are subsistent farmers who are just trying to survive. Now if you do the maths with the amount of arable land available compared to grazing land , it’s easy to work out how many people are reliant on animals for their very survival.
  5. The data I quoted in the previous post was from 2016 , so gmo had already been used for a while and was therefore included in the numbers. I am sure that with better developed crops you will see improvements, but I doubt they will be double digit type of improvements? But I might be wrong.
  6. Thanks Odi , I appreciate you trying to answer that. I fully understand that times and business change and people have to try and swim with the current to survive. But this is not a few lantern factories that had to adapt because the light bulb was invented. If almost 90 % of the worlds land area is not suitable for planting crops , and can only be utilized by grazing , you have to admit it’s a bit of a problem for a world of vegans ? The problem that most vegans have ( and I mean this with respect ) is that they usually live in first world countries - and Also mostly in big cities . They therefore live in a bit of a “bubble” and don’t realize how most people in the world live. People don’t realize what a privilege it is to be vegan by choice !
  7. Odi , I mentioned the problem regarding arable land and the farmers in the Karoo or similar places earlier , but didn't really get a reply from you , so I will ask you a question regarding it rather . Seeing that only about 11% of the world's land area is arable ( the rest is not suitable to plant crops ) https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/AG.LND.ARBL.ZS (in SA it's only 10% ) , what would you suggest we do with the land that is not suitable for planting crops ? In SA 83% of agricultural land is used for grazing . https://www.nda.agric.za/docs/StratPlan07/07sectoral.pdf . I cannot really see the sheep farmer in the Karoo , or the cattle farmer in the Kalahari , being able to plant soybeans? Should we therefore just let 80% plus of the worlds land lie idle and remove the people that are currently living there ? They obviously won't be able to even do subsistence farming - seeing that they have to be vegan ?
  8. I also weighed just over a 100 before I started cycling, and now I am 81 kg's . I eat some type of meat ( in moderation ) in one of my meals probably 7 days a week . You don't think your weight loss has a bit more to do with your cycling and eating better ( less sugar or just less in general ) than with being a vegetarian maybe ?
  9. That's an interesting take on it . I suppose that's also why some vegans are so vocal ( aggressive almost ) in trying to " convert" the rest of the population ? Without them realising it , it becomes a bit of a religion to them . There definitely are a lot of parallels that can be drawn between some religious zealots and some vegans .
  10. Sjoe those are pretty low numbers ? Given that I am more used to Mtb races and their numbers , are those the norm when it comes to road races ? ( I am of course not talking about 94.7 and Argus ) .
  11. Also doing it . Did the Tankwa and got lazy after that , so doing this to judge myself a bit .
  12. Is this a sanctioned event ? I have two daughters that ride UCI cat’s and don’t want to take a chance if it’s not .
  13. You should know by now that if you don’t ride flat pedals , dropper post , 2,6” tires with a 140 mm fork styling baggies you’re just not gnarly enough for the hub, “ bro” !#enduro ???????? # flying down the spruit . ????
  14. Thanks for the reply . It's unfortunately not very practical when you sleep in a tent for a couple of days at a stage race to go the pre-prep smoothie route ? Hence my comment regarding having a glass of milk . There will almost always be milk readily available at stage races.
  15. I agree with you on the supplements part for the pro's .Todays pro athletes take too much out of their bodies to just rely on normal foods . I just don't think milk ( or any other normal food ) is completely crap though . For us weekend warriors they are more than enough .
  16. Milk is actually between 3 and 4 % protein ( depending on whether it's low fat or full cream ) . So around 20 grams of protein per 500 ml of full cream milk or 15 grams of low fat serving . Herewith a list of the protein content of your more common recovery drinks per 500 ml serving : USN Recovery : 20,2 grams ( pro-recover ) Cadence Revive : 22,6 grams (revive ) High 5 Recovery : 18 grams (recovery-drink ) Biogen Recovergen : 16,7 gram ( recovergen ) Hammer Recoverite : 10 grams (https://www.hammernutrition.com/products/recovery/recoverite) I can go on , but I think you get the picture ? Now ,,, what does a glass of milk cost compared to the recovery drinks ? Are they really that much better ?? Maybe there are vegan recovery drinks that are better than milk , but I don't know any of them ? I am willing to learn though .
  17. Seeing that whe are all cyclists here , and most of as has done our share of stage races ,I’m sure ?! Here is a quisteon to the vegans that I have wondered about . When I finish a tough stage at a race like for example Sani2C and get to the food hall , one of the first things I look for is a glass of cold milk - chocolate or vanilla if possible , but plain also if they don’t have flavored ones . You will almost always find milk readily available at any stage race . And with a lot of scientific studies to back it up , l know that it is one of the best , cheapest and most available recovery drinks you can have after a tough day on the bike .No need to quote my sources on those claims , it’s common knowledge -but yea of little faith are welcome to google the studies. So I was wondering what vegans use as a supplement to milk for their recovery drink that obviously also will have the right amount of carbs and protein to aid recovery , but also must be easy to drink , and more importantly - easy to come by at a stage race out in the sticks ? Please let me know , and I might try your dink as an alternative at my next Race ?! Edit : If chocolate milk was good enough as a recovery drink for my hero Burry ,,, well then it’s good enough for me ????
  18. Also entered . Have done a few Sani's , W2W's and a Jhb2C , but for some reason I am more nervous about this one ? I think I am dreading the sleeping in a tent in the heat more than anything else ?? I am really looking forward to the trails though . Only heard good things about the riding ( sans the climbing ) . Knowing there was gonna be some serious climbing waiting for me was a huge motivation to train through the holidays . ( not that I think I did enough though - when will it ever be enough ? )
  19. You are right. I am not gonna try and argue your point . My point was more in the theme of this thread where the OP was discussing why be a vegan. The discussion has gone from the moral to the health and now the inviromental implications. I was trying to explain ( as you are also saying ) that his absolutist view regarding saving the planet by stopping the consumption of animal based foods is in my opinion not correct .
  20. I actually do have some Nguni cattle on a farm of mine , so suppose I can be called a boer ????. And before someone has a fit , they walk freely on the farm .
  21. Telling people to be vegan because it will save the planet is akin to giving someone with a terminal disease an aspirin to ease the pain. You might be hiding the pain a bit for a while , but the disease is still there and growing .
  22. I have mentioned before and will say again ; of course we must all try and do our part to help our planet - but there is a place for animal based foods in the world as well . I am not saying screw the planet , I want my meat ? The points you mentioned all point to the same thing - over population of the planet ! Thats the real problem . Not the farmer in the Karoo raising his sheep to sell his Tjoppies at the Spar so we can braai it on a Saturday night. The economics of farming unfortunately necessitates large scale farming where animals are kept in enclosures and fed in order to produce food cheaply for the masses . But once again - that is because there are too many people . If it wasn't for the huge population that would not have been the case . So the real problem is not the fact that we eat animal based foods , but that there are too many of us !
  23. I have absolutely no problem with people choosing to be Vegan or vegetarian , or any other "diet" they want to be on . Everything in moderation of course . If those vegan's want everyone else to be vegan as well though, then they should at least be able to come up with answers for the billions of people that cannot afford or are not able to have access to the means to be vegan . The vast majority of people in the world eat what they can afford and what's available . We are a very small minority that are privileged to pick and choose what we want to eat !
  24. This holiday season when you guys drive to Cape Town and you go through the Karoo , please stop at a farmer there and explain to him he must stop this sheep farming nonsense and plant some soybeans ,because those sheep require WAY too much water . Point I am trying to make is this : Only around a third of all agricultural land in the world is arable ( can be ploughed ) . The rest is too dry or wet or rocky or hilly or just not suitable to plant crops on . People therefore farm with animals on that land . Even here where I stay in the Vredefort Koepel there are very few farms that can be used for crops . So please tell me what should happen to the around 64% of Agricultural land in the world if everyone should stop using animal based foods ?
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