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  1. Milkman
    I think most of those problems are actually caused by over eating ( mostly sugar )and under exercising .
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    With respect , I disagree with you that meat consumption is responsible for obesity, high cholesterol , heart disease or any of the medical problems you mention . Maybe eating too much meat might cause those , but eating or drinking too much of almost anything might cause those problems. I don’t know how you can draw the conclusion that eating meat causes those problems ?
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    Same as this case in Australia. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/22/australia/australia-vegan-baby-intl-hnk-trnd/index.html 4,9kg at 19 months
  4. Milkman
    Well ,it might not be exclusively for the "privileged few" that live in an environment were they have access and the means to choose to be vegan . But it sure does help to be affluent and live in a first world country if you wanna be choosy about what you eat , doesn't it ?
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    Not to derail this thread , but being able to read , having electricity and technology to debate on the interwebs AND the free time to do so , and riding bicycles for fun - yes I think we are pretty privileged . And that was not said as a defence - I was pointing out that you are contradicting yourself .
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    I did say it was the short answer . The long answer I have explained in previous posts .
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    You know that every person reading on this thread is actually privileged right ?
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    Kidding aside, I have lived on a farm almost my whole life ( except school and studies ). I have raised and slaughtered my own animals , hunted and killed wild animals to eat them and drank milk , made cheese and butter from my own animals my whole life . I very much agree with you that people should be more aware of where their food comes from , but I don't agree with your view on the nutritional side of being vegan vs being omnivorous. I am also not in agreement with you that us as humans consuming animal products is the reason our planet is getting f%$ked . That I believe we as humans are doing by other means - mostly population growth ? But that's part of another discussion .
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    The short answer : I enjoy my meat too much .
  10. Milkman
    In what 3rd world country country will a mother and child have access to sufficient sources of plant based foods ?? You’ve got to be kidding right ? And I live in Africa , if you move anywhere out of your major cities here , you are in the 3rd world . So this is not a “straw man argument “ at all. It’s real.
  11. Milkman
    The point I was making was not about people on this thread. I have been trying to explain in some of my previous posts why the whole world cannot go vegan , and why the human race will always need some type of animal based food.
  12. Milkman
    Not really answering my question there , are you ?
  13. Milkman
    Would you honestly say that a strict vegan diet for babies and toddlers living in 3rd world countries where people cannot afford any added supplements would be a good thing ??
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    I wouldn't say that humans feed on carnivores " a lot " ? Apart from one or maybe 2 tuna salads a month I cannot think of any other type of carnivore meat I ( and I use myself as a "normal" SA adult here ) eat ? Then as I've mentioned a few times , to say that " slaughter is unnecessary for the overwhelming proposition of the population " is definitely not true . It is not necessary for a select few of the privileged population is more correct .
  15. Milkman
    I think it's the safety thing ? Looking at what happened this weekend again at the Bestmed Cansa race , road cycling in SA is becoming a really dangerous sport .
  16. Milkman
    About 2 months before Tankwa this year my old S-Works shoes started tearing ( after about 3 years of proper use ) . I had a look at the prices , and decided to rather go for the cheaper ( non carbon sole ) version . The shoes felt fine and did their job , but don't know if it was the terrain of the 2 days prior, or just because the decent after Merino climb is so long , I started feeling that my feet were getting sore on that decent . It started feeling as if the cleats were "pushing" through the soles and like I was almost riding without shoes with my feet on the pedals alone . It got so bad that I had to sit down on my saddle on some sections were I should have been out of the saddle just to give my feet a break . Got back from Tankwa and went and bought the new S-works shoes . Koop een keer en koop reg ! Shoes and a saddle are 2 places you don't skimp if you plan on doing long technical rides .
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    I agree that humans are adaptable ( suppose that’s why we are on top of the food chain ? ). The problem is that most people in the world don’t have the luxury of choosing what they want to eat. Their primary concern is to try and get the most nourishment for the small amount of money they have. They definitely won’t buy a bottle of soy milk if they can get it from their cow for free. Neither will they get some chia seeds to try and replace their eggs that they can get from their chicken. There are a heck of a lot of people ( 3.2 billion , or 45% of the worlds population in fact -https://www.globalagriculture.org/report-topics/industrial-agriculture-and-small-scale-farming.html ) that live in rural areas. Most of those are subsistent farmers who are just trying to survive. Now if you do the maths with the amount of arable land available compared to grazing land , it’s easy to work out how many people are reliant on animals for their very survival.
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    The data I quoted in the previous post was from 2016 , so gmo had already been used for a while and was therefore included in the numbers. I am sure that with better developed crops you will see improvements, but I doubt they will be double digit type of improvements? But I might be wrong.
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    Thanks Odi , I appreciate you trying to answer that. I fully understand that times and business change and people have to try and swim with the current to survive. But this is not a few lantern factories that had to adapt because the light bulb was invented. If almost 90 % of the worlds land area is not suitable for planting crops , and can only be utilized by grazing , you have to admit it’s a bit of a problem for a world of vegans ? The problem that most vegans have ( and I mean this with respect ) is that they usually live in first world countries - and Also mostly in big cities . They therefore live in a bit of a “bubble” and don’t realize how most people in the world live. People don’t realize what a privilege it is to be vegan by choice !
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    Odi , I mentioned the problem regarding arable land and the farmers in the Karoo or similar places earlier , but didn't really get a reply from you , so I will ask you a question regarding it rather . Seeing that only about 11% of the world's land area is arable ( the rest is not suitable to plant crops ) https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/AG.LND.ARBL.ZS (in SA it's only 10% ) , what would you suggest we do with the land that is not suitable for planting crops ? In SA 83% of agricultural land is used for grazing . https://www.nda.agric.za/docs/StratPlan07/07sectoral.pdf . I cannot really see the sheep farmer in the Karoo , or the cattle farmer in the Kalahari , being able to plant soybeans? Should we therefore just let 80% plus of the worlds land lie idle and remove the people that are currently living there ? They obviously won't be able to even do subsistence farming - seeing that they have to be vegan ?
  21. Milkman
    I also weighed just over a 100 before I started cycling, and now I am 81 kg's . I eat some type of meat ( in moderation ) in one of my meals probably 7 days a week . You don't think your weight loss has a bit more to do with your cycling and eating better ( less sugar or just less in general ) than with being a vegetarian maybe ?
  22. Milkman
    That's an interesting take on it . I suppose that's also why some vegans are so vocal ( aggressive almost ) in trying to " convert" the rest of the population ? Without them realising it , it becomes a bit of a religion to them . There definitely are a lot of parallels that can be drawn between some religious zealots and some vegans .
  23. Milkman
    Sjoe those are pretty low numbers ? Given that I am more used to Mtb races and their numbers , are those the norm when it comes to road races ? ( I am of course not talking about 94.7 and Argus ) .
  24. Milkman
    Flippet , my palms sweat just watching this on my laptop . I would k@k myself if I had to be a passenger in that car !! That's crazy fast .
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    Race to the sSun entries 2019 Solo entries - 1616 Team of 2 entries - 368 Team of 4 entries - 66 Relay team of 2 - 68 Relay team of 4. - 9 Total entries. - 2127 stats.aspx
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