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Congratulations. That is some solid riding in testing weather and challenging road surfaces. Glad you had a good trip and experience overall. Nice work!

Those things are menace 😂. They all over the place here. Available as short term rentals all over the cities... A few of the school kids in our area also have them - and not the cheap 5 mph versions, the unlimited 30 mph versions (and the one wheelers)! It's going to end badly. Fortunately, most parents perceive the danger and are going with ebikes. Obviously any self propelled vehicle has inherit risks, but I think ebikes slightly less so? Maybe not. Ironically, the vast majority of parents that get their kids ebikes enforce the use of helmets and other protection, but those whose kids that get 'scooters' seldom seem to enforce helmets. Agreed! When I refer to my neighborhood, Id say it is predominately older - empty nesters or soon to be empty nesters. Most of these households hadn't bought a bike in the last 10 years no doubt. Either had an old clunker gathering dust in the garage or nothing at all. Now they all out buying ebikes. I don't think they using them as a commuter in most cases - more recreational. But there are a bunch of tax incentives and rebates for e-bike purchases (on the premise that you do use it as a commuter), which is facilitating additional Ebike purchases. $1.8 million for Colorado for 2024... There are restrictions on who can apply for these rebates, but more interestingly there are limitations on the type of bike you can purchase. A large percentage of the traditional bike manufactures are eliminated by these restrictions (top speed, power of battery, full suspension mtb etc). Again impacting what we see as traditional cycling resellers... https://energyoffice.colorado.gov/ebike-rebates

I don't disagree with any of the points here. But I do think, in the context of this discussion being on TheHub, my interpretation of 'the cycling industry' is different to yours. While I can't speak for everyone here, given the post is on a forum where the majority of readers would consider any bike with less than 21 gears and coil shock entry level, lumping mass produced commuters et al into the discussion is out of context (for the original discussion) imho. Not incorrect, but out of context... Anyway, no use flogging a dead horse... An observation from across the seas here in the USA (which you may or may not be seeing in UK/SA yet): The rise of the e-bike has been staggering over the last 12 months. I'd say, 50% of our neighborhood has at least 1 ebike in the household now compared to nothing 12 / 18 months ago. Parent's that would normally buy a $150 'scott' entry level MTB for their kids school commute are now buying $400/$500 no name ebikes. The rise has been exponential. Tying this back into the original thread: the vast majority of these bikes are no name brands sold on online retailers. Very few are typical 'big name' bike brands bought through your LBS. So yes, lots of $'s being spent on bikes, but little going to your typical LBS and even less going to the traditional bike bike brands. I have no idea actual margins on these bikes and may simply be a case of loss leaders and hoping to make money on replacement batteries? (Razor blade strategy)... See image attached - 1800+ sold in the last month just on these two versions. To re-iterate the point, yes, all these sales go into your 'cycling industry' stats. But again, I can't speak for everyone on the TheHub' but I doubt these would be on any Hub Member shopping list.... All about context I guess...

"Clearly 'Cycling industry is in a boom' - just have a look at the stats"... This is what I see from the stats you linked (bear in mind all these numbers are 'FORECASTS'): Unit Sales: Down from 2020/21, possibly a touch higher than 2022/23 but no major increase. Revenue: Appears to be increasing inline with past few years. This despite inflation being higher now and the average bike cost increasing more. I would expect the increase in bike price plus high inflation should lead to a relatively higher income number - which is not the case? Safe to assume if income is increasing in line with other years but cost of bike/inflation is increasing then profit would be flat (at best) but more than likely decreasing? Price: Average price increasing. Logical, given inflation and the increased demand for Ebikes, along with other factors like increased transports costs etc. I'm not sure which of these stats indicate that 'Cycling Industry is Booming'? I can't speak for the European market, but here in the USA the industry is struggling without a doubt. Excess stock from oversupply following post COVID shortages is being sold at clearance prices. This glut of stock has bottomed out the 2nd hand market value. So consumers have the choice of clearance pricing on 2022 model bikes, or can pick up 1 year old 2nd hand bikes for 50% of the original price. (That is assuming the customer has any disposable cash after all inflationary pressures on day to day cost of living). In the above scenario, why would anyone be paying full price for a 2024 bike - especially in the current financial climate? Cycling Industry is not in a boom, not here anyway.

Yep - Boulder is a stones throw from me. I see he’s playing Red Rocks in September. Maybe I’ll pop in 😏

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Autumn Golf in Colorado.... Iphone 12 No Adjustments - straight out the phone.

I haven't read all the comments. But I guess the Good, Bad Ugly threads, Time to get out of here etc all are all now gone / going? As an expat, the thoughts and or queries that arose in those threads were ones I could relate to (and in some cases assist with). Can't say I'll be able to help with local group ride queries . Good luck - it's been fun...

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When in SA I always wanted one of these. I think Bosch was the only model available at the time - not sure if that has changed. When I got State side I found they were dime a dozen. Such a useful tool - we use them daily. Highly recommend... https://www.homedepot.com/b/Search/N-5yc1vZc2b2/Ntk-Extended/Ntt-multi+tool?Ntx=mode+matchpartialmax&NCNI-5

Both options are possible. Not sure if you were hoping to do it yourself or get someone to do it for you. Check out these for inspiration: Wrap: https://wrapmybike.shop/product-categorie/helmets/ Paint: If painting, make sure you use a polystyrene safe primer to protect the help from the paint. Otherwise the paint will eat you helmet...