RC8000 Frame

[Wannabe]

What would you guys (and gals) consider a good price to pay for a Raleigh RC8000 frame (frame only, no fork). It is the model (2005) termed "Superlight butted 7000 series with carbon rearstays".

[zini]

R1000

[Wannabe]

As an add on to my original question. What is your opinions/feelings on these frames. It is not the new Dedaccai frame. I can get one at a great price (less than what Zini said), brand new, and wants to know if it would be a good platform to build a bike on, a la Spinnekop (bit by bit, piece by piece)

Pleade advice, all you knowledgeable ones.

[linnega]

7005 is relatively high end aluminium.  Generally double butted would be lighter than the single butted, but the Raleigh's may come in reasonably light with the carbon seatstays.  The frames are very similar to the Monoc frames that Cyclelab were punting a few years ago, and also similar to the 2004/5 model Giant OCR (although Giant use a proprietary 6061 alu alloy). 

Choosing the frame really depends on use.  If you are planning to ride races shorter than 5 hours then it should be comfortable enough and stiff enough to race.  You can add comfort by putting on a good quality wheels and tyres, the groupset is not particularly important.

To answer your question is difficult.  If you intend to build up and ride this bike in our "fun ride" races for 3 years then yes it is a reasonable platform to build from.  If you want to ride longer then the geometry and harshness may not be appropriate.

[Marius]

I don't know Wannabe, I for one if I was building it up piece by piece would think the frame is almost the most important thing, and lets face it, when thinking of Raleigh you don't really get Goosebumps do you? That said it is a very good price!!!

[Wannabe]

Marius.

I am not one to go for "poser" value. I know for a fact that Raleigh's are damn fine bikes for the price you pay. With my trusty old RC2000 (Sora groupset and all, +-12kg weight) I have left guys behind in my dust on bikes that cost more than my car!!! I just want a decent, affordable, sturdy bike.

Linnega.

Will be doing all our "major" +-100km races (around 3hrs saddle time). Looking at fitting a decent groupo (the Dura Ace on Totalcycling tickles my fancy, would love the Campy Record, but my Minister of Finance will never allow it). Should I go for the Dura Ace, a wheelset like the Dura Ace or Ksyrium SL will be high on my list of possibles. (Campy will have to be the Eurus)

Another question. What do you know about Pazzaz carbon goodies. Can get the Forks, handlebar, seatstem, etc at decent prices from my LBS.

[Cruxpearl]

Just Check carefully, some of the Pazzaz "Carbon" components is actually Aluminium with a carbon coat, so not all of it is full carbon, as it would appear.

[linnega]

Pazzazz generally make decent products, and usually tell you whether they are coated alu or solid CF.  Like many of the Taiwanese manufacturers they source there goods from high quality but cheap factories.  By buying generic products with other "manufacturers", they are able to use economies of scale to save you money.

With forks, beware of how you choose them.  There are different rakes to consider as well as types of forks (integrated, threadless, threaded).  Most work best with a certain type of headset (and don't work at all with other types), so check this out first with you LBS.  Also a fork has a huge impact on handling so it is important to go with a quality fork.  I may even consider the fork more important than a frame for handling characteristics.  Unless you can test a Pazzazz fork on other bikes, I would be wary of buying one.

[Wannabe]

Thanks guys, appreciate your advice. The fork they have there is really a beaut, full of curves and swoops, also more expensive than the frame. Will make sure of all things from you guys before I buy.

[Velouria]

Marius - careful with the Raleigh remarks. smileys/smiley4.gif

 

 

 

I ride a Raleigh mtb, and as I have said before on this board, I have

been impressed by both the bike, and the after sales service.

 

 

 

Cracked a frame, and within a week had a new one - no questions asked. Cannot ask for more from a manufacturer.

[Marius]

Yessss Velouria, I don't have anything against the Raleigh MTB's and was actually thinking of getting one as well. I must just check the prices and if the 2006 stock is out for sale yet. But my remark about the RC8000 frame Wannabe is based on how I see the product, for me it's like buying a Toyota or buying a white car, nothing wrong with it, very good cars and inexpensive to touch up if it gets scratched, to each his own and all that but I like to be different, that's all I'm saying guys, jisshhh everyone's so touchy feely todaysmileys/smiley2.gifsmileys/smiley36.gifsmileys/smiley9.gif

[dirtrider]

You will not make a mistake getting a "decent" raleigh MTB . Mine has gone over the 3000km mark and not a days problems .

[Velouria]

Marius - I apologise - but after spending 14 hours on my Raleigh on Saturday, I had to stick up for the brand.

 

 

 

And i am not sure if it is touchy feely - my bum just hurts smileys/smiley2.gif

[Capri Wheeler]

will give u about 20000....cents