Refined carbs may be toxic

[rob7x]

Interesting article attached, about the overconsumption of refined carbohydrates.

[Velouria]

While I am a big Tim Noakes fan, this is journalism for the sake of filling a blank page. Words like "believes" and "untested" and anecdotal evidence shouldn't be used to convince people to change their lifestyles.

 

Ultimately, what he is promoting is a balanced healthy diet, with sufficient exercise. Now there is plenty of evidence for that.

[BigGuy]

I think it took some balls for someone of his background to write that article.

[Guest agteros]

Can't see what the big whoohaa is all about. sounds more like hubbers creating sensation than the good doc.

 

I thought it is common knowledge that refined carbs (sugars) are bad for you. Sure toxic is a strong word, but toxic/bad is just semantics.

Type 2 diabetics is lifestyle induced (read too much refined carbs/sugar, combined with a sedentary lifestyle. Active people get away with murder (sugary stuff) compared to sedentary people.

 

I've previously posted a link to a YouTube video called "Sugar, the bitter truth"... dedicate some time to it, watch it, and try and understand that doctor explaining HOW sugar/fructose is used/metabolised in body.

 

My failing eyes are struggling to read that scan of the article, anybody with a decent size pic, or preferably the actual text?

[Guest agteros]

here is my post: https://community.bikehub.co.za/topic/103720-weight-loss-and-energy-drinks/page__view__findpost__p__1409973

[Lucky Luke.]

Noakes is banging on about cereals, rice, bread, pasta etc in this instance. I don't think sugar is in there.

 

In a nutshell the revelation seems to be that eating too much starchy carbs makes you fat. Headsmacking stuff.

[RacerX]

 

My failing eyes are struggling to read that scan of the article, anybody with a decent size pic, or preferably the actual text?

http://www.discovery.co.za/email_za/mailers/pdfs/general/noakes.pdf

[Guest agteros]

Noakes is banging on about cereals, rice, bread, pasta etc in this instance. I don't think sugar is in there.

 

In a nutshell the revelation seems to be that eating too much starchy carbs makes you fat. Headsmacking stuff.

 

Do I have bad news for you.....

 

cereals, rice, bread, pasta ...

 

First one(cereals) is generally LOADED with sugars (and to add insult to injury most probably with the worst type of sugar you can get in this form - fructose)

The other 3, people prefer the white, non-wholewheat variants.... processed carbs, hi GI, just like sugar.....

Oh... and carbs(carbohydrates) are generally known as? ...... STARCH!!!!!!!

 

And another thing: sugars are nothing BUT refined carbs (starch/carbs).....

Just go watch that video, and please ask questions if it is incomprehensible

 

So the bit I could gather from the article is nothing earth shattering, just good advice.

 

http://www.discovery...eral/noakes.pdf

 

thanks, will read it properly now

[BigGuy]

@agteros, nothing earth shattering, I agree. Robert C. Atkins figured this out in the 60's. And he based his work on that of others. There was just a lot less proof then to connect all the dots.

[Guest agteros]

@agteros, nothing earth shattering, I agree. Robert C. Atkins figured this out in the 60's. And he based his work on that of others. There was just a lot less proof then to connect all the dots.

 

Correct, he just goes further to state that protein is more filling (we all "know" that ) than carbs.... My link goes into all carbs not being equal.

Also, protein uses more energy to digest than carbohydrates (starches), but (if I remember correctly from books I've read) it still provides more energy than carbs

[BigGuy]

Correct, he just goes further to state that protein is more filling (we all "know" that ) than carbs.... My link goes into all carbs not being equal.

Also, protein uses more energy to digest than carbohydrates (starches), but (if I remember correctly from books I've read) it still provides more energy than carbs

The energy comes mainly from fat, as almost all protein sources contain lots of it. If you eat fat instead of carbs, the body adapts over time to utilise fat very efficiently. Now some people would say that fat cannot provide "instant" energy. True to a point, especially during the first few weeks (or if you keep on eating carbs), but then things start to change dramatically, as Tim Noakes noticed himself.

[Lucky Luke.]

Do I have bad news for you.....

 

cereals, rice, bread, pasta ...

 

First one(cereals) is generally LOADED with sugars (and to add insult to injury most probably with the worst type of sugar you can get in this form - fructose)

The other 3, people prefer the white, non-wholewheat variants.... processed carbs, hi GI, just like sugar.....

Oh... and carbs(carbohydrates) are generally known as? ...... STARCH!!!!!!!

 

And another thing: sugars are nothing BUT refined carbs (starch/carbs).....

Just go watch that video, and please ask questions if it is incomprehensible

 

So the bit I could gather from the article is nothing earth shattering, just good advice.

 

 

 

thanks, will read it properly now

 

Thanks, I know what's in cereals. By 'in there' I meant in Noakes' piece. I was just trying to summarise the article for you as triumphantly paraphrased to me by my highly impressed mom.

 

 

We are I think in agreement, unless I misunderstood the gist of his so-called 'controversial' article, Noakes is just churning out column inches here.

 

 

Eminent qualifications aside, I was also unimpressed by his analysis of the 2010 Tour which seemed high on hype and low on research.

Edited August 24, 2011 by Lucky Luke.

[Rapunzel]

Let's not get confused between a high protein/low carbohydrate diet like Atkins and what Prof Noakes is recommending.

What he is saying makes huge sense. In a natural environment, we wouldn't be exposed to refined carbohydrates such as flour, corn products, sugar, cereals,... , nor would we consume dairy products.

The gap left by omitting refined carbohydrates would be filled with carbohydrates from fruits.

I'd like to give it a try but being vegetarian really throws a spanner in the works

Anybody up for the challenge?

[BigGuy]

@mtbmom, being vegetarian, what are you not consuming?

[Rapunzel]

@mtbmom, being vegetarian, what are you not consuming?

no red meat but I do at least eat some fish and eggs (also don't do dairy). Tried calculating my daily protien intake and it is about 40g which is a bit low so trying to do eggs for breakfast, tuna sandwich for lunch, ...

Anybody else adjusted their eating habits after reading this article?

[Mr Legs]

Anybody else adjusted their eating habits after reading this article?

 

I am a Noakes fan and will try to cut or at least limit bread and pasta and confectionary type baked goodies (and also sweets / chocs) for a while to judge the effect in terms of weight loss and energy levels. Will eat more fruit, veggies and nuts for a month or so.