Niner Posted November 28, 2011 Share The DC is a team time trial. http://www.coronationdc.co.za/rules-and-regulations/Thanks LL So you are not allowed to slip stream, but why do the TOP teams think they are allowed to use the feeding bags? I mean it is clear here Feeding of riders MUST take place in front of their stationary team vehicle, which have to be parked completely of the road. No riders are allowed to have any assistance whatsoever, while still on the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niner Posted November 28, 2011 Share No - last year you couldn't feed from the vehicle either, however, like last year, if you were in a top team, you could request to feed without stopping (ie - grab a musette) . In future, I suggest they have a bike marshal for each top team - to enforce the rules and look for people doing bad things. Then we won't have to wait on the results and there'll be no he said she said allegations... Why are they allowed to do this? This is not the TDF! If they want to be treated specially why don't they then have to 2 races....one for the top teams where they can apply their rules.... And another race where the fun riders ride it....see which race gets the most support....then maybe they (the organizers and the top team) will start to realise that without the fun riders there is not really a race. Fun riders bring the exposure to the sponsors....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bike Mob Posted November 28, 2011 Share Firstly, @Tarmac, I have a lot of respect for you and riders of the Aurecon team and well done with your result. Finishing in 5h33 without any riders from the outside and all of you subvets is a great achievement. I just want to clear what you said below: Never did any Brothers Sport rider feed from a vehicle. We did however have permission, as did all the top teams requesting this, to feed with bags from feeders giving the bags to riders. There is clearly a big misunderstanding here in terms of feeding from a moving vehicle which did not happen. If the teams being passed on the road (probably the teams that lodged the complaint as well) have fallen back out of the Brothers Sport slipstream, it would not have been such a big disruption and ''safety issue'' for them at all. Re the Matlosana riders in the team... there's more to it than only results and each team's prorogative to spent their budget to the benefit of the team and the sponsor. Nevertheless, sad that all the complaints (apparently hundreds of them from teams all over) could not be resolved before prizegiving. MC I respect your time and yes you guys had a fantastic ride, but you are not allowed to make cell phone calls to your team car to describe the composition of your feed bags prior to receiving them as Lance Muller did at your 2nd feed. Also feed bags (if given permission) were supposed to be taken from the left hand side of the road, so that we may pass on the right hand side as you slow down. Also next time please try not to throw your feed bags willy nilly all over the place and almost through our riders front wheels. One of our riders almost took a bottle in the face too as someone back flipped it off into the bush. I would like to know where the secret alumni met and discussed rolling feeding as the managers briefing explicitly said no feeding in motion as per race rules.Maybe next year I can come in my black hooded cape Since we were seeded 5th fastest on last years time surely we should have gotten an Invite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Luke. Posted November 28, 2011 Share Why are they allowed to do this? This is not the TDF! If they want to be treated specially why don't they then have to 2 races....one for the top teams where they can apply their rules.... And another race where the fun riders ride it....see which race gets the most support....then maybe they (the organizers and the top team) will start to realise that without the fun riders there is not really a race. Fun riders bring the exposure to the sponsors....! Certain teams requested to be allowed to grab musettes. The support crew stands at the side of the road and riders pretty much stop but don't dismount, and grab a bag for them and a teammate. I don't think the social teams would be interested in this type of thing. In fact having ridden on pretty social teams for 3 years, and even one not so social team, we opted not to go for musettes. I think Velouria is spot on - have a marshal for each of the teams deemed to be in contention for the overall and make sure the rules are enforced. This business of other teams feeling they need to enforce the rules by protesting results is making big *** for an otherwise unique and well-organised event. Respect to the organisers for what they have achieved, but lets iron out the skid marks in the shammy before next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bike Mob Posted November 28, 2011 Share Thanks LL So you are not allowed to slip stream, but why do the TOP teams think they are allowed to use the feeding bags? I mean it is clear here Feeding of riders MUST take place in front of their stationary team vehicle, which have to be parked completely of the road. No riders are allowed to have any assistance whatsoever, while still on the road. Apparently this rule is just a guideline for teams that are not good enough to hang onto their bike while being handed a feed bag. Anyone else who think they are perfectly capable may skip this one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niner Posted November 28, 2011 Share Certain teams requested to be allowed to grab musettes. The support crew stands at the side of the road and riders pretty much stop but don't dismount, and grab a bag for them and a teammate. I don't think the social teams would be interested in this type of thing. In fact having ridden on pretty social teams for 3 years, and even one not so social team, we opted not to go for musettes. I think Velouria is spot on - have a marshal for each of the teams deemed to be in contention for the overall and make sure the rules are enforced. This business of other teams feeling they need to enforce the rules by protesting results is making big *** for an otherwise unique and well-organised event. Respect to the organisers for what they have achieved, but lets iron out the skid marks in the shammy before next year. The plot thickens, now it sounds like they are littering also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niner Posted November 28, 2011 Share Certain teams requested to be allowed to grab musettes. The support crew stands at the side of the road and riders pretty much stop but don't dismount, and grab a bag for them and a teammate. I don't think the social teams would be interested in this type of thing. In fact having ridden on pretty social teams for 3 years, and even one not so social team, we opted not to go for musettes. I think Velouria is spot on - have a marshal for each of the teams deemed to be in contention for the overall and make sure the rules are enforced. This business of other teams feeling they need to enforce the rules by protesting results is making big *** for an otherwise unique and well-organised event. Respect to the organisers for what they have achieved, but lets iron out the skid marks in the shammy before next year. Why does the rules not state this then? That you are allowed to do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niner Posted November 28, 2011 Share Apparently this rule is just a guideline for teams that are not good enough to hang onto their bike while being handed a feed bag. Anyone else who think they are perfectly capable may skip this one... It is always interesting to read the RULES....then on the road you see something, report it only to be told...."that is ok for them" what next? How many other rules do the top teams disregard? Littering also by the looks of things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Luke. Posted November 28, 2011 Share Why does the rules not state this then? That you are allowed to do this? I don't know, maybe the rules need to be amended. Musettes are allowed and use thereof is discussed between the organisers and team management. Not my department so can't help you with that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velouria Posted November 28, 2011 Share Why does the rules not state this then? That you are allowed to do this?Trust me - grabbing a musette is not as easy as the pro's at the TDF make it look. While I haven't heard of any serious injuries (I saw one guy with his arm in a sling and nasty roasties) from this weekend, it would have been carnage if the less experienced teams were given the option of feeding from a musette. We weren't even that brave. Rather have a blanket rule and make a few exceptions for the top teams. As it is, there is no love lost between the top teams, and so any slight infringement is likely to bring about a protest. I doubt however that any of these perceived infringements really altered the overall outcome of the race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niner Posted November 28, 2011 Share Trust me - grabbing a musette is not as easy as the pro's at the TDF make it look. While I haven't heard of any serious injuries (I saw one guy with his arm in a sling and nasty roasties) from this weekend, it would have been carnage if the less experienced teams were given the option of feeding from a musette. We weren't even that brave. Rather have a blanket rule and make a few exceptions for the top teams. As it is, there is no love lost between the top teams, and so any slight infringement is likely to bring about a protest. I doubt however that any of these perceived infringements really altered the overall outcome of the race.Why? Who says that they TOP teams can do it? It is not something you / they do often? What makes them a better bag catcher than the next person? Just because they ride faster for longer does not mean that they can catch a bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let's Ride Posted November 28, 2011 Share '2.8 Feeding of riders MUST take place in front of their stationary team vehicle, which have to be parked completely of the road. No riders are allowed to have any assistance whatsoever, while still on the road.' If teams did feed on the go then they should be disqualified. Rules are rules. Edited November 28, 2011 by Alpina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowbee Posted November 28, 2011 Share Geez guys, why are you all so worried about the application of the rules ? Especially it seems one rule regarding the feed zones. So all the quoting of one rule means you didnt break any of the others. If it was agreed that some teams could ride without stopping then whats wrong with that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niner Posted November 28, 2011 Share '2.8 Feeding of riders MUST take place in front of their stationary team vehicle, which have to be parked completely of the road. No riders are allowed to have any assistance whatsoever, while still on the road.' If teams did feed on the go then they should be disqualified. Rules are rules.That is what I say, but apparently it you are a TOP team you get to choose which rules you want to listen to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niner Posted November 28, 2011 Share Geez guys, why are you all so worried about the application of the rules ? Especially it seems one rule regarding the feed zones. So all the quoting of one rule means you didnt break any of the others. If it was agreed that some teams could ride without stopping then whats wrong with that ?then the rules should state that there can be an exception.....why hide this from othere teams who might also want to use this method? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowbee Posted November 28, 2011 Share then the rules should state that there can be an exception.....why hide this from othere teams who might also want to use this method? in reading through the comments it was made clear that you could ask the organisers permission for exception on this rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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