PPA cut cord with CSA

[BergForce]

Just phoned them and its going to work as follows:

 

 

1. All PPA races will be more expensive but no-one (PPA or not) will have to pay a day license as PPA will pay it over.

2. PPA member or not will have to pay R 35-00 day license to be part of the Burger, construction du cap, knysna or the Argus

3. What you get is seeding in road races and mtb races. For the big races you still should get seeding.

 

Therefor if you are only going to do the big races, no need to join PPA. If you are going to do PPA events and would like seeding. Then join.

 

Still not quite clear. A CSA annual license cost just R75. A day license is R35 per event, big difference in amount if you do many events. So now I go join a club to get my annual CSA license, but if I do a PPA event I still pay the CSA day license (included in the entry fee now)? I smell a dead fat stinkin rat.

Edited July 17, 2012 by Berg Bok

[FanieFiets]

Thanks FanieFiets

 

Did they mention anything about the league riders, like Subvets etc..

 

Nope, but the lady at reception was quit knowledgeable. Giver her a call.

[FanieFiets]

Still not quite clear. A CSA annual license cost just R75. A day license is R35 per event, big difference in amount if you do many events. So now I go join a club to get my annual CSA license, but if I do a PPA event I still pay the CSA day license (included in the entry fee now)? I smell a dead fat stinkin rat.

 

That is a excellent question and I think PPA might be very sneaky here. They their race will be the same price, doesn't matter if you have a CSA license or not. They pay the fee over to CSA for each and every rider. I'm sure that isn't the idea of CSA and do not know how the can ask you license fee if you are registered....but seems thats the way its going to be.

[Bike Mob]

Guys calm down...

 

PPA do not charge fees they do not have to charge. Any money collected by PPA for CSA are paid as is to CSA (no profit). In fact PPA negotiate a discount on your behalf.

 

PPA did not cut the cord, CSA severed the cord when their constitution changed. PPA invited CSA to the table to negotiate a way forward that includes PPA in the good of cycling for the future,m the only way to do this is to re-instate PPA's rights under a clause in the constitution.

 

As far as it stands your PPA fees and PPA races do not fall under CSA and as such no fees should be collected by PPA for CSA., BUT if it is sanctioned racing, such as Elite and SubVet racing then the RACE riders need to be CSA licensed and pay fees as such to cover their CSA sanction and Commissaires - this should not apply to the funrider contingent of a race.

 

Your CSA fees already paid cover you until December 31st 2012.

[Java001]

Guys calm down...

 

PPA do not charge fees they do not have to charge. Any money collected by PPA for CSA are paid as is to CSA (no profit). In fact PPA negotiate a discount on your behalf.

 

PPA did not cut the cord, CSA severed the cord when their constitution changed. PPA invited CSA to the table to negotiate a way forward that includes PPA in the good of cycling for the future,m the only way to do this is to re-instate PPA's rights under a clause in the constitution.

 

As far as it stands your PPA fees and PPA races do not fall under CSA and as such no fees should be collected by PPA for CSA., BUT if it is sanctioned racing, such as Elite and SubVet racing then the RACE riders need to be CSA licensed and pay fees as such to cover their CSA sanction and Commissaires - this should not apply to the funrider contingent of a race.

 

Your CSA fees already paid cover you until December 31st 2012.

 

I think it is good for the sport that PPA and CSA are no longer affiliated, but event organisers will have to really be up to speed with all the rules&regs of both bodies. Hybrid funrider/race events like the recent Pick and Pay Cape Argus Rotary Knysna Cycle Tour serves as good example - the race documentation on their website made it appear that it was a CSA sanctioned event as the following statement appeared on the online entry form:

 

If you are not a member of CSA, a cycling club affiliated to CSA or the PPA, you will have to buy a one-day CSA event day licence.

 

So I would presume that a whole lot of funriders ( and also later those who could not provide proof of CSA licence, because they had no online CSA access or members list) paid R 35 to CSA for the privilege of riding.

 

A further problem was when race organisers were queried about CSA distance rules for youth riders being contravened, they indicated that certain events fell under PPA rules, so the CSA rule did not apply.

 

This is going to cause a lot of drama and uncertainty in future.

[Bike Mob]

Java unfortunately even for the PPA who assist in the organisation of funrides it is currently unclear as they want to assist CSA, especially financially where they seem to have a great difficulty, but also in the promotion and greater good of cycling nationally.

[FanieFiets]

Guys calm down...

 

PPA do not charge fees they do not have to charge. Any money collected by PPA for CSA are paid as is to CSA (no profit). In fact PPA negotiate a discount on your behalf.

 

PPA did not cut the cord, CSA severed the cord when their constitution changed. PPA invited CSA to the table to negotiate a way forward that includes PPA in the good of cycling for the future,m the only way to do this is to re-instate PPA's rights under a clause in the constitution.

 

As far as it stands your PPA fees and PPA races do not fall under CSA and as such no fees should be collected by PPA for CSA., BUT if it is sanctioned racing, such as Elite and SubVet racing then the RACE riders need to be CSA licensed and pay fees as such to cover their CSA sanction and Commissaires - this should not apply to the funrider contingent of a race.

 

Your CSA fees already paid cover you until December 31st 2012.

 

I thought every race held in SA falls under CSA? Anyway, the works of the membership tannie were 'We are increasing the prices of races to include a temp licence fee for each cyclist entered'. So either of your statements are incorrect.

 

That said I still believe the PPA plays an amazing role in the quality, low cost and seeding of races and we are lucky to have them. Irked though that they want me to collect my licence in Strand or at their HQ. I honestly do not have time to do that.

[Java001]

Java unfortunately even for the PPA who assist in the organisation of funrides it is currently unclear as they want to assist CSA, especially financially where they seem to have a great difficulty, but also in the promotion and greater good of cycling nationally.

Zilla, I am not sure whether PPA had any involvement in the Knysna event; it certainly was not published and I think PPA just became a scapegoat for CSA rule infringements by the officials & organisers. CSA licences were used, CSA day licences had to be bought by even the funriders, Commissaires & line officials were from the CSA Officials body, so this was very much a CSA event - as pointed out by Fanie Fiets all races fall under CSA auspices whether we like it or not. Cannot see why & how CSA would relinquish the stranglehold they have over cycling events in SA ?

So with CSA owning and controlling it all, how does PPA help or intend to help them ? Do they in fact need help ?

[BergForce]

Guys calm down...

 

PPA do not charge fees they do not have to charge. Any money collected by PPA for CSA are paid as is to CSA (no profit). In fact PPA negotiate a discount on your behalf.

 

PPA did not cut the cord, CSA severed the cord when their constitution changed. PPA invited CSA to the table to negotiate a way forward that includes PPA in the good of cycling for the future,m the only way to do this is to re-instate PPA's rights under a clause in the constitution.

 

As far as it stands your PPA fees and PPA races do not fall under CSA and as such no fees should be collected by PPA for CSA., BUT if it is sanctioned racing, such as Elite and SubVet racing then the RACE riders need to be CSA licensed and pay fees as such to cover their CSA sanction and Commissaires - this should not apply to the funrider contingent of a race.

 

Your CSA fees already paid cover you until December 31st 2012.

 

Still not clear something is not right. PPA clearly stated that a R35 CSA day license is now included in the PPA events fees. So what about PPA members that already have the CSA annual license? And Amarider also stated if you joined PPA after 28 Feb your CSA license is not included in your PPA subscription, so what about people like me who wants to join now? The "all is fine till 31 Dec" is not applicable to people who joined after 28 Dec or are they?

Edited July 18, 2012 by Berg Bok