PPA cut cord with CSA

[BergForce]

Nothing in newsletter of CSA licence included. Cost is R285 as per newsletter.

 

They have disafailianated, which means no more CSA with PPA. CSA is now in bed with Amarider, problem is PPA has got the events, so best thing for the cyclist is probably to support PPA till such time as Amarider has enough events to justify membership. What a mess, I think CSA is the turd in the drink-water here.

Edited July 16, 2012 by Berg Bok

[cptfly]

I am a new member to PPA and have one question to them.. waiting for a reply from them

 

I have been a member for a few months and need some feedback. If we take the upcoming Wolseley MTB Challenge event in Wolsley with 4 distances (64, 44, 17 & 5).

 

 

Only the 64km and 44km is timed but not the other two distances even though the Racetec equipment is at the event?

 

How much of the entry fee is paid to Racetec to get the times for each rider per event ? You advertising and I quote "PPA pays for its members to be electronically timed by Racetec."

 

Why cant all PPA members participating in all 4 distances get times as you paying for it already as quoted by you " PPA pays for its members to be electronically timed by Racetec."

 

For beginners it something to monitor your progress. You fitter/faster guys don't want the beginners on the longer routes as you frequantly complain about being held up by the weekend warriors .

[MTB_Roadie]

I get a error everytime I want to renew my PPA membership via Credit Card

[flymango]

I get a error everytime I want to renew my PPA membership via Credit Card

 

Your credit card must know better.

[Eugene Oppelt]

Your credit card must know better.

 

[Wannabe]

I get a error everytime I want to renew my PPA membership via Credit Card

 

I also struggled. I later phoned their Office while I was busy, and the kind lady on the other side guided me through the process. Went through no problem then.

[FanieFiets]

Just phoned them and its going to work as follows:

 

 

1. All PPA races will be more expensive but no-one (PPA or not) will have to pay a day license as PPA will pay it over.

2. PPA member or not will have to pay R 35-00 day license to be part of the Burger, construction du cap, knysna or the Argus

3. What you get is seeding in road races and mtb races. For the big races you still should get seeding.

 

Therefor if you are only going to do the big races, no need to join PPA. If you are going to do PPA events and would like seeding. Then join.

[dirtrider]

They have disafailianated, which means no more CSA with PPA. CSA is now in bed with Amarider, problem is PPA has got the events, so best thing for the cyclist is probably to support PPA till such time as Amarider has enough events to justify membership. What a mess, I think CSA is the turd in the drink-water here.

 

You got that bit right !

[Tiny K]

Question - how will league work? Would another fee have to be paid to CSA for their membership?

[Spat]

Thanks FanieFiets

 

Did they mention anything about the league riders, like Subvets etc..

[BergForce]

Just phoned them and its going to work as follows:

 

 

1. All PPA races will be more expensive but no-one (PPA or not) will have to pay a day license as PPA will pay it over.

2. PPA member or not will have to pay R 35-00 day license to be part of the Burger, construction du cap, knysna or the Argus

3. What you get is seeding in road races and mtb races. For the big races you still should get seeding.

 

Therefor if you are only going to do the big races, no need to join PPA. If you are going to do PPA events and would like seeding. Then join.

 

Still not quite clear. A CSA annual license cost just R75. A day license is R35 per event, big difference in amount if you do many events. So now I go join a club to get my annual CSA license, but if I do a PPA event I still pay the CSA day license (included in the entry fee now)? I smell a dead fat stinkin rat.

Edited July 17, 2012 by Berg Bok

[FanieFiets]

Thanks FanieFiets

 

Did they mention anything about the league riders, like Subvets etc..

 

Nope, but the lady at reception was quit knowledgeable. Giver her a call.

[FanieFiets]

Still not quite clear. A CSA annual license cost just R75. A day license is R35 per event, big difference in amount if you do many events. So now I go join a club to get my annual CSA license, but if I do a PPA event I still pay the CSA day license (included in the entry fee now)? I smell a dead fat stinkin rat.

 

That is a excellent question and I think PPA might be very sneaky here. They their race will be the same price, doesn't matter if you have a CSA license or not. They pay the fee over to CSA for each and every rider. I'm sure that isn't the idea of CSA and do not know how the can ask you license fee if you are registered....but seems thats the way its going to be.

[Java001]

Guys calm down...

 

PPA do not charge fees they do not have to charge. Any money collected by PPA for CSA are paid as is to CSA (no profit). In fact PPA negotiate a discount on your behalf.

 

PPA did not cut the cord, CSA severed the cord when their constitution changed. PPA invited CSA to the table to negotiate a way forward that includes PPA in the good of cycling for the future,m the only way to do this is to re-instate PPA's rights under a clause in the constitution.

 

As far as it stands your PPA fees and PPA races do not fall under CSA and as such no fees should be collected by PPA for CSA., BUT if it is sanctioned racing, such as Elite and SubVet racing then the RACE riders need to be CSA licensed and pay fees as such to cover their CSA sanction and Commissaires - this should not apply to the funrider contingent of a race.

 

Your CSA fees already paid cover you until December 31st 2012.

 

I think it is good for the sport that PPA and CSA are no longer affiliated, but event organisers will have to really be up to speed with all the rules&regs of both bodies. Hybrid funrider/race events like the recent Pick and Pay Cape Argus Rotary Knysna Cycle Tour serves as good example - the race documentation on their website made it appear that it was a CSA sanctioned event as the following statement appeared on the online entry form:

 

If you are not a member of CSA, a cycling club affiliated to CSA or the PPA, you will have to buy a one-day CSA event day licence.

 

So I would presume that a whole lot of funriders ( and also later those who could not provide proof of CSA licence, because they had no online CSA access or members list) paid R 35 to CSA for the privilege of riding.

 

A further problem was when race organisers were queried about CSA distance rules for youth riders being contravened, they indicated that certain events fell under PPA rules, so the CSA rule did not apply.

 

This is going to cause a lot of drama and uncertainty in future.

[FanieFiets]

Guys calm down...

 

PPA do not charge fees they do not have to charge. Any money collected by PPA for CSA are paid as is to CSA (no profit). In fact PPA negotiate a discount on your behalf.

 

PPA did not cut the cord, CSA severed the cord when their constitution changed. PPA invited CSA to the table to negotiate a way forward that includes PPA in the good of cycling for the future,m the only way to do this is to re-instate PPA's rights under a clause in the constitution.

 

As far as it stands your PPA fees and PPA races do not fall under CSA and as such no fees should be collected by PPA for CSA., BUT if it is sanctioned racing, such as Elite and SubVet racing then the RACE riders need to be CSA licensed and pay fees as such to cover their CSA sanction and Commissaires - this should not apply to the funrider contingent of a race.

 

Your CSA fees already paid cover you until December 31st 2012.

 

I thought every race held in SA falls under CSA? Anyway, the works of the membership tannie were 'We are increasing the prices of races to include a temp licence fee for each cyclist entered'. So either of your statements are incorrect.

 

That said I still believe the PPA plays an amazing role in the quality, low cost and seeding of races and we are lucky to have them. Irked though that they want me to collect my licence in Strand or at their HQ. I honestly do not have time to do that.

[Java001]

Java unfortunately even for the PPA who assist in the organisation of funrides it is currently unclear as they want to assist CSA, especially financially where they seem to have a great difficulty, but also in the promotion and greater good of cycling nationally.

Zilla, I am not sure whether PPA had any involvement in the Knysna event; it certainly was not published and I think PPA just became a scapegoat for CSA rule infringements by the officials & organisers. CSA licences were used, CSA day licences had to be bought by even the funriders, Commissaires & line officials were from the CSA Officials body, so this was very much a CSA event - as pointed out by Fanie Fiets all races fall under CSA auspices whether we like it or not. Cannot see why & how CSA would relinquish the stranglehold they have over cycling events in SA ?

So with CSA owning and controlling it all, how does PPA help or intend to help them ? Do they in fact need help ?