Capricorn Posted October 25, 2016 Share TRS Plus on the rear at the moment. Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk how's the combo in terms of rolling resistance, compared with a 'similar' combo by schwalbe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nofearnofun Posted October 25, 2016 Share Hmmmmmmm... may need to try that!Been staring at my set for months now (recovering from injury). But SOON! What are you running at the back with your TRS Race?The TRS Race is probably very similar to the Magic in rolling resistance but way more planted and predictable. I've managed to get the sticky TRS Race into a front wheel drift in a bit of a loamy flat corner and I could literally feel each side know digging in just holding the slide. I still managed to pump out of the corner while it was drifting without it letting go. Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capricorn Posted October 25, 2016 Share The TRS Race is probably very similar to the Magic in rolling resistance but way more planted and predictable. I've managed to get the sticky TRS Race into a front wheel drift in a bit of a loamy flat corner and I could literally feel each side know digging in just holding the slide. I still managed to pump out of the corner while it was drifting without it letting go. Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk jeepers. that's quite high praise there. Its hard to imagine a tyre more predictable and grippier than a magic mary. Do you run your MMs and the E13s at the same pressures? What's that pressure? Edited October 25, 2016 by Capricorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted October 25, 2016 Share The TRS Race is probably very similar to the Magic in rolling resistance but way more planted and predictable. I've managed to get the sticky TRS Race into a front wheel drift in a bit of a loamy flat corner and I could literally feel each side know digging in just holding the slide. I still managed to pump out of the corner while it was drifting without it letting go. Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk jeepers. that's quite high praise there. Its hard to imagine a tyre more predictable and grippier than a magic mary. Do you run your MMs and the E13s at the same pressures? What's that pressure?Yeah!!! Tickle me interested! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capricorn Posted October 25, 2016 Share seems the difference is in the compound durometer: For E13: The TRS+ has a more durable dual compound – 61a centre tread, with 50a side knobs – whereas the TRSr (Race) model has a triple compound.The base is 72a, the centre tread is 42a and the side knobs an ultra tacky 40a. For schwalbe and maxxis: So it would appear off the durometer ratings alone, that a better comparison would be between the schwalbe in vertstar compound and the E13 TRS Race, and the Trailstar versus the TRS+ While i know that Schwalble's misfortunes with low-mileage ripped knobs was a factory problem, I can't help but wonder how well those E13 Race tyres will wear. Granted, up front, there should be very little abuse compared to the rear. but as a rear tyre. i'd bet that thing would get chewed up like a dog's new toy in no time, just like every other soft compound tyre out there. 42a-40a is SOFT! Edited October 25, 2016 by Capricorn Captain Fastbastard Mayhem and BaltazarMarques 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted October 25, 2016 Share seems the difference is in the compound durometer: For E13: For schwalbe and maxxis: So it would appear off the durometer ratings alone, that a better comparison would be between the schwalbe in vertstar compound and the E13 TRS Race, and the Trailstar versus the TRS+ While i know that Schwalble's misfortunes with low-mileage ripped knobs was a factory problem, I can't help but wonder how well those E13 Race tyres will wear. Granted, up front, there should be very little abuse compared to the rear. but as a rear tyre. i'd bet that thing would get chewed up like a dog's new toy in no time, just like every other soft compound tyre out there. 42a-40a is SOFT!Sweet! Whilst I haven't yet run the Vertstar compound, I know that it must be incredibly grippy if it's grippier than the Trailstar. And good info, Cap. Always. Capricorn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh0 Posted October 25, 2016 Share I converted from 26" to 650B last week. I bought a pair of e*13 trs+ rims from The Trailhead, with 28mm internal width. I paired the rims with a Vigilante 2.3 up front and Trail Boss 2.4 Tough casing in the rear. The tires were quite a biatch to get on the rims and the Trail Boss with the Tough casing was very difficult to seat with a floor pump, but I managed. The combination is great, I rode a 50kms race on Saturday to test them out and was fully amazed. Rollover was great, rolling resistance acceptable, grip was insane, wider rims providing much more support, and with the lower pressures much more forgiving. Thanks to The Trailhead for the bitchin' rims and Dubbelbuys for the sweet deal on the tires (I haven't even paid him yet). RockCoach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nofearnofun Posted October 25, 2016 Share jeepers. that's quite high praise there. Its hard to imagine a tyre more predictable and grippier than a magic mary. Do you run your MMs and the E13s at the same pressures? What's that pressure?The Magic (trail star) I found to have a tiny unpredictable spot between top and side knobs, nowhere near as big as the DHF but definitely noticeable (more so on fast hardpack). I have tested the TRS setup on hardpack, loose over hard, small loose rubble like terrain, sandy/loam, flat rock and rock gardens. Not one slip yet! They just seem to hook in and even make flat corners feel like your railing a rut! With regards to pressure. I'm always fiddling between 1.6 - 2.0 bar front and 1.8 - 2.4 bar rear with a rider heft of 100kg +VAT. We tend to go to quite high pressure on some of the Hakahana stages otherwise even Super Gravity Casings get munched by our rocks. Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk Capricorn, BaltazarMarques and Captain Fastbastard Mayhem 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enduro_Jakes Posted October 25, 2016 Share I ran the Ibex FR 2.25 on both front and rear and only had a bit of a issue with front grip in loose or pebbly type corners. Just upgraded the front to a Minion DHF 2.5 and still running the Ibex on the back (Center nobs are worn down nicely so it rolls nice and quick while still having the big side nobs mostly intact). So far it runs much better in the muddy flat corners and even the loamy flat corners. Gonna give it a test run at Haka this weekend! Nofearnofun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capricorn Posted October 25, 2016 Share The Magic (trail star) I found to have a tiny unpredictable spot between top and side knobs, nowhere near as big as the DHF but definitely noticeable (more so on fast hardpack). I have tested the TRS setup on hardpack, loose over hard, small loose rubble like terrain, sandy/loam, flat rock and rock gardens. Not one slip yet! They just seem to hook in and even make flat corners feel like your railing a rut! With regards to pressure. I'm always fiddling between 1.6 - 2.0 bar front and 1.8 - 2.4 bar rear with a rider heft of 100kg +VAT. We tend to go to quite high pressure on some of the Hakahana stages otherwise even Super Gravity Casings get munched by our rocks. Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk Thanks NFNF. You've provided serious stoke for these tyres. How's the wear looking thus far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted October 25, 2016 Share I converted from 26" to 650B last week. I bought a pair of e*13 trs+ rims from The Trailhead, with 28mm internal width. I paired the rims with a Vigilante 2.3 up front and Trail Boss 2.4 Tough casing in the rear. The tires were quite a biatch to get on the rims and the Trail Boss with the Tough casing was very difficult to seat with a floor pump, but I managed.DSC_0751.JPG The combination is great, I rode a 50kms race on Saturday to test them out and was fully amazed. Rollover was great, rolling resistance acceptable, grip was insane, wider rims providing much more support, and with the lower pressures much more forgiving. Thanks to The Trailhead for the bitchin' rims and Dubbelbuys for the sweet deal on the tires (I haven't even paid him yet). what a sexy bike and such an awesome frame colour Josh0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nofearnofun Posted October 25, 2016 Share Thanks NFNF. You've provided serious stoke for these tyres. How's the wear looking thus far?"Serious Stoke" BUT WAIT! There's more... I've got a little more than 120km on the tyres with probably 20km of tar riding so far. No sign of wear as yet. Sounds too good to be true even to me... Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk Captain Fastbastard Mayhem and Capricorn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh0 Posted October 25, 2016 Share what a sexy bike and such an awesome frame colour Yo Hairy Thanks man, how are you liking yours? The most noticeable difference between my Stumpy and the Spitty was how the Spitty loves to corner. It just loves to lean and rip. Now with my new wheels, I cannot get the bike to slide like it did previously. Now I experience serious g-forces when cornering. Sometimes I feel like I am going to pass out, like what happens to astronauts in a centrifuge. Captain Fastbastard Mayhem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted October 25, 2016 Share "Serious Stoke" BUT WAIT! There's more... I've got a little more than 120km on the tyres with probably 20km of tar riding so far. No sign of wear as yet. Sounds too good to be true even to me... Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalkbloody roadie ... and you say "so far" like you are happily planning more tar mileage Nofearnofun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capricorn Posted October 25, 2016 Share "Serious Stoke" BUT WAIT! There's more... I've got a little more than 120km on the tyres with probably 20km of tar riding so far. No sign of wear as yet. Sounds too good to be true even to me... Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted October 25, 2016 Share Yo Hairy Thanks man, how are you liking yours? The most noticeable difference between my Stumpy and the Spitty was how the Spitty loves to corner. It just loves to lean and rip. Now with my new wheels, I cannot get the bike to slide like it did previously. Now I experience serious g-forces when cornering. Sometimes I feel like I am going to pass out, like what happens to astronauts in a centrifuge. LOL ... you also came off a stumpy onto a spitty! It is one of the best bikes I have been on, if not the best. Climbs very well with the shock wide open (Especially with the drop out in the middle setting), far better than my stumpy did. The frame stiffness is just awesome, and the bike feels really composed ... .all the time! Do find the longer stays require a little more body language to lift the front wheel vs the old stumpy, but you learn to adapt. LOVE the suspension feel .... nice and supple to start with, and offering great mid stroke support....you can pump this thing and not blow through the travel (Like most other bikes I have tried). Corners .... you said it best. I am running the Hans D's front and rear on a 21mm internal width rim ..... the next upgrade might well be nice and wide rims, but that must wait a little till I have given the current set a reason to be replaced. Been enjoying the Hans D's so far, just have to make sure you get your pressure right. Josh0 and Captain Fastbastard Mayhem 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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