Vaughters on doping

[Tumbleweed]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/08/12/opinion/sunday/how-to-get-doping-out-of-sports.xml

[LOOK695]

Good article

[Dgas]

It's a good article, but I have just read " From Lance to Landis" followed that by " The Doper Next Door " and I am just busy reading " Breaking the Chain". Those books give you a insight into doping in sport, cycling in particular. Reading these I don't believe that there is a single TdF winner that has not doped. Wiggins included. if you have not been caught it just means you are better than the system.

[101SCC]

So we can add Vaughters to the List that USADA is holding so close to it's chest.

 

Nice to see a perspective with a solution, not just a denial. Garmin Sharp get's my support.

 

and for Scotty;

 

GO DOPING, AT POSTAL

 

(just pulling your socks )

[HappyMartin]

I have also read a lot of books on the subject. Including Millars book, Rough Ride and others.

 

My take is the Tour is clean these days. Or if not the doping is so risky that the riders use it so conservatively that it is giving little advantage.

 

You can notice now how a rider will conserve energy more and if they go big one day how they pay for it and suffer on following days. You can see how the tactics are now shaped around when on the tour to attack and when to sit in. In the past when doping was more rampant this was not the pattern.

[TNT1]

You can notice now how a rider will conserve energy more and if they go big one day how they pay for it and suffer on following days. You can see how the tactics are now shaped around when on the tour to attack and when to sit in. In the past when doping was more rampant this was not the pattern.

 

So, what's your take on this year's Tour, when Voekler and Vino, amongst others, went on the attack day after day?

[HappyMartin]

I think people like Vino and Voeckler are that type of rider. While they did attack a lot they also spent a lot of days just surviving. The thing with TV is you get a skewed view. You only see the days the guys attacked. We didn't see the days they just hung on and lost lots of time. Pretty much all the GC guys rode conservatively.

 

Another observation is that as the doping becomes less prevalent we see more conservative racing and already people are complaining about the lack of aggression and boring racing. It is in the nature of the event that riders will have to husband their finite energy resources. Many riders in the old days justified doping because fans demanded high speed aggressive racing. Let's not fall into the trap as fans of the sport of encouraging doping by making unreasonable demands of the riders. We want clean racing with all that entails. Well I do.

[GrumpyOldGuy]

Hmm, its really just putting into words what almost everyone will face at some point in their lives. To cheat or not, to evade tax or not, to be complicit with fraud in business, or not, to participate in corrupt tenders, or not, to use illegal means to get your own way, or not, to bribe the traffic officer, or not, to cheat at the local poker game, or not.......the list is endless and I doubt there's anyone who is old enough to stand on their own two feet who has not faced this choice, its all around us, you cant not face it somewhere.

 

I agree in a way, but I also disagree, many people take the high road, most times they dont become rich, or win races, or have luxury lifestyles with no obvious means to sustain it, and yes its hard to reconcile with that especially when you KNOW you are doing it right and others are not, but its also a life choice and people like that, to me anyway are far more worthy of admiration than someone who says "I did it because everyone else was, or to compete, or because I worked hard" - thats a poor excuse and passing the blame any way you look at it.