Imtb Posted January 17, 2008 Share My MTB training bike with the PowerTap is 3kg heavier than the bike I use for racing..will I get any payback? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_the_builder Posted January 17, 2008 Share Put the PT on your race bike... You need the stats from racing more than the training ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brakkies Sport Fotos Posted January 17, 2008 Share imtb, do you train to be on the poduim in a race? if not, I think that the 10min you are going to go faster on a lighter mtb is not going to mean a lot. Yes, the heavy bike is going to help, but it put more strain on the knees and body. What distances and terrain you use to train on the "heavy" bike. What do you train 4? CLIMBING, CLIMBING, and more UPHILL, will make you stronger, no matter what bike you use. In races the lighter one will give the a advantage You have to train today in such a way, that you can still be able to train tommorow as well. not sure if this make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imtb Posted January 17, 2008 Share Put the PT on your race bike... You need the stats from racing more than the training ones. Doesn't work with disc breaks so I occassionally race on the PT bike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Seuss Posted January 17, 2008 Share 300W is 300W - no matter how heavy the bike is - it is the same effort to generate 300W on a light bike than it is to gen it on a heavy bike. i think that you will probably go faster doing 300W on a light bike than you would on the heavier bike, but you are training not racing, so speed is irrelevant.Dr. Seuss2008-01-17 03:13:36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imtb Posted January 17, 2008 Share imtb' date=' do you train to be on the poduim in a race? if not, I think that the 10min you are going to go faster on a lighter mtb is not going to mean a lot. Yes, the heavy bike is going to help, but it put more strain on the knees and body. What distances and terrain you use to train on the "heavy" bike. What do you train 4? CLIMBING, CLIMBING, and more UPHILL, will make you stronger, no matter what bike you use. .[/quote'] I train to be on the VETS podium.Heavy bike usually training on tar, mainly hills - yes I climb alot.The bike is set up almost in exactly the same way as the Giant Anthem10 minutes would be great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imtb Posted January 17, 2008 Share but you are training not racing' date=' so speed is irrelevant.[/quote'] But in a race speed is relevant. Bottom line, if two equal riders did exactly the same training on these different bikes - all things being equal except the weight of the bike. Would the one training on the heavier bike have got stronger come race time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolweseun Posted January 17, 2008 Share but you are training not racing' date=' so speed is irrelevant.[/quote'] But in a race speed is relevant. Bottom line, if two equal riders did exactly the same training on these different bikes - all things being equal except the weight of the bike. Would the one training on the heavier bike have got stronger come race time? To ride the heavier bike at the same speed as the lighter bike you would need to generate more power.if you are training with a power meter and using it properly the weight does not make a difference as has been noted 300w is 300w.in a race the heavier bike would be slower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmarc Posted January 17, 2008 Share Yes i believe they would if you consider power to weight ratio. the weight of the bike must be added to the weight of the rider. So if both riders are equal with one rider on a heavier bike during training, then he will be stronger on a lighter bike during racing, as his power / weight ratio is better during racing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brakkies Sport Fotos Posted January 17, 2008 Share Ok, My guess is that if you train 100km with your MTB, and your buddy is riding with on his ROAD bike, you do a better workout. Vets not always go for speed, even on the uphills. My guess is that you have to do interval training more to be able to ride that "flat out, go slow, flat out, go slow" type of riding. but I'm not a fundi on this, just the way I think. What i can tell you for a fact, if you train long miles on your MTB, You will have endurance like a race horse, but NO SPEED... when a attacks come @ 43km/h, you going to bleed through your .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotSoBigBen Posted January 17, 2008 Share How much heavier are we talking here? Surely there has to be a significant difference in weight for this to be a factor as say 10 mins for example? Just thinking aloud ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imtb Posted January 17, 2008 Share To ride the heavier bike at the same speed as the lighter bike you would need to generate more power.if you are training with a power meter and using it properly the weight does not make a difference as has been noted 300w is 300w.in a race the heavier bike would be slower. I understand the heavier bike would be slower. As MadMarc says, its a power to weight ratio. But what I really want to know...are there any advantages at all in training on a heavier bike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imtb Posted January 17, 2008 Share Ok' date=' My guess is that if you train 100km with your MTB, and your buddy is riding with on his ROAD bike, you do a better workout. when a attacks come @ 43km/h, you going to bleed through your ....[/quote'] But if your buddy on his road bike went as hard as you are going on your mountain bike he would leave you behind if you were exactly the same standard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolweseun Posted January 17, 2008 Share I see that you do have a power meter!So if you train properly and for arguments sake do 20 Min interval at 300w on a farm gate that weighs 15Kg and then do the same thing on a 6.8Kg beast your workout is exactly the same although your speed varies,if you ride with someone of same weight + ability on above mentioned bikes at same speed one will ride at threshold and the other way anaerobic, and will end up going backwards in training.Use your power meter dont listen to all the other garbage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce Posted January 17, 2008 Share Training on the heavier bike will save wear & tear on the light bike. Training wise it won't make a difference if you use power as your measure of intensity.Mentally, I think it makes a big difference on race day when you get on a bike that feels light and quick. Come race day, the only thing that is going to make a difference to your performance is your mental state. Anything you do that improves your mental state, and get's you into the "racing" mode is going to help your performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imtb Posted January 17, 2008 Share Thanks Bruce - how does it differ from working in the gym. As one gets stronger you add more weights - is this the equivelant of working in a harder gear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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