Johny Bravo Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 I know you have one I am telling you that that is what the Spez shop guys told me and what I have seen from the reviews the guys have written. To me it runs both ways and it seems like that is what they market it as well.Go ride a Stumpy friend, it will blow your mind.
Bizkit031 Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Go ride a Stumpy friend, it will blow your mind. I have,big issue for me is I'm tall and rode a Xl and rode damn well but the top tube feels a little short to me prefer a bit more of a stretched top. If it's me and I have to choose between the Camber and Stumpy with the type of riding I do now I will take a Stumpy.
Johny Bravo Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 I have,big issue for me is I'm tall and rode a Xl and rode damn well but the top tube feels a little short to me prefer a bit more of a stretched top. If it's me and I have to choose between the Camber and Stumpy with the type of riding I do now I will take a Stumpy.Stumpy is quite upright, maybe just get used to it. I have a Epic, Camber and Stumpy, Stumpy is getting all of my love, unless I race hard, then it the Epic. Camber is the step child who pees in the bed.
Bizkit031 Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Stumpy is quite upright, maybe just get used to it. I have a Epic, Camber and Stumpy, Stumpy is getting all of my love, unless I race hard, then it the Epic. Camber is the step child who pees in the bed. Yea that's maybe what it was,but if I had the money now like the OP I would go with a Banshee Phantom,Transition Smuggler or Evil's new The Following. All are 29ers but they are a new breed with slack angles long top tubes and low BB. The first 2 are coming to SA but the 3rd unfortunately not and all are between 105mm to 120mm.
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 kona process 111 DL. Here's why... Kona’s Process lineup is geared toward enduro performance and trail fun. The Process 111, Kona’s 29-inch offering, presents riders with a mixed bag of concepts in a package aimed at all-round rideability with a nod to gravity. Sub-17-inch chainstays meet a long front end and generous wheelbase with a shortish 111 millimeters of travel.The aluminum frame is draped with components aimed at performance without slaughtering the bank account, in this instance represented by a SRAM X1 drivetrain and Shimano SLX brakes. Don’t consider the SLX brakes a downgrade; for the price they are an absolute kickass stopper. Bump-sucking duty is handled by RockShox with a Pike RC 120 up front and a Monarch RT in the rear. A KS Lev dropper post, and Kona-brand bars, stem and grips round out the cockpit, with WTB saddle and rims and Maxxis Ardent tires finishing the package.The geometry of the Process 111 is wonderful for tearing into trail. It is balanced and stable, corners beautifully and sticks lines with the best of them–with the caveat that some testers felt the bike has an aggressive enough feel that riders can easily find themselves at mach speed in terrain that is more than the limited rear travel can handle. One tester felt that adding the larger-volume DebonAir can to the Monarch shock would benefit this bike. That said, the suspension performs well at bump absorption for the travel that it has on descents.Climbing performance, on the other hand, is a mixed bag. Some compression platform is required to get the best out of the beast, and it is helped uphill by the short chainstays, but hampered by some extra heft compared to other bikes on test. General consensus was that this is a maniacally fun descending bike that climbs fine–just don’t expect to win any uphill drag races. – Mike Ferrentino VERNON FELTON: Who’s the ideal rider for the Process 111?CHRIS MANDELL: Hard one to answer…Any bike is just a tool in the hands of the rider. For me personally this bike feels ‘ideal’ because it bunny hops like nothing else, has traction for days and accelerates in places which it shouldn’t which scares me. But I can think of other riders who like it because it has the snap of an XC bike but with the monster trucking ability of a 27.5 – 150mm bike. A lot of what is going on with this bicycle is the interplay between travel, wheelsize and geometry. We are ‘buying’ the ability to excel in technical terrain with excellent geometry (fit and frame) and wheelsize. The travel is just there to take the edge off.VF: What were you aiming for, in terms of ride traits, when you designed the 111?CM: We wanted the maneuverability and responsiveness of the Honzo but with just enough travel to take the edge off and provide grip.VF: How did you, from a design and engineering perspective, achieve those goals?CM: A lot of hard work. We started by spending a lot of time balancing the STA, travel amount, BBD and Chainstay length in a 2D model. Once we had a range of what we thought was workable we jumped into the 3D modeling to sort out what was actually workable given the constraints of 29” wheels. Really the hard part of this bike was not designing it. The hard part was creating the vision for it, staking out the fresh ground where this bike was to live. It meant we had to look beyond the 27.5 hype and mentality that 29ers are only for XC…we had to innovate.VF: When the Process 111 debuted last year, it was kind of on its own desert island. I mean, Banshee’s Prime was coming from a similar direction, but it had more travel. For 2015, however, the Process 111 has a lot of company: there are now a fair number of aggressive, slack-geo, low-slung, long front-center, short-travel 29ers (how’s that for an endless list of modifiers?). So, what sets the Process 111 apart from some other bikes in this growing niche?CM: We have the gold star for being first to the party? My review of the other bikes now in this category suggests that we are still leading the charge: Longest reach and a lower TT than our competition.VF: If someone is looking at the Process 111, they’re probably also eyeing the Process 134, the slightly longer-travel, 650b sibling. The two bikes can tackle a lot of the same terrain. What kind of rider would be better suited, then, with the Process 111?CM: Good question. The Process 111 and 134 are equally capable bikes, they just do things differently. So it is a little bit hard to talk about pros and cons but perhaps temperaments?134 – Intuitive, stable and responsive111 – Aggressive, speed and responsiveTerrain also plays a role. If I lived and rode in Bend I would get the Process 111. Whistler? The 134. Santa Cruz? The 111. Bellingham? I would want both.
Monark Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Why not consider a carbon Giant? They fit into your price range and are carbon and very well spec'ed
Bizkit031 Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Why not consider a carbon Giant? They fit into your price range and are carbon and very well spec'ed Maybe a Trance even.
Johny Bravo Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 kona process 111 DL. Here's why... Kona’s Process lineup is geared toward enduro performance and trail fun. The Process 111, Kona’s 29-inch offering, presents riders with a mixed bag of concepts in a package aimed at all-round rideability with a nod to gravity. Sub-17-inch chainstays meet a long front end and generous wheelbase with a shortish 111 millimeters of travel.The aluminum frame is draped with components aimed at performance without slaughtering the bank account, in this instance represented by a SRAM X1 drivetrain and Shimano SLX brakes. Don’t consider the SLX brakes a downgrade; for the price they are an absolute kickass stopper. Bump-sucking duty is handled by RockShox with a Pike RC 120 up front and a Monarch RT in the rear. A KS Lev dropper post, and Kona-brand bars, stem and grips round out the cockpit, with WTB saddle and rims and Maxxis Ardent tires finishing the package.The geometry of the Process 111 is wonderful for tearing into trail. It is balanced and stable, corners beautifully and sticks lines with the best of them–with the caveat that some testers felt the bike has an aggressive enough feel that riders can easily find themselves at mach speed in terrain that is more than the limited rear travel can handle. One tester felt that adding the larger-volume DebonAir can to the Monarch shock would benefit this bike. That said, the suspension performs well at bump absorption for the travel that it has on descents.Climbing performance, on the other hand, is a mixed bag. Some compression platform is required to get the best out of the beast, and it is helped uphill by the short chainstays, but hampered by some extra heft compared to other bikes on test. General consensus was that this is a maniacally fun descending bike that climbs fine–just don’t expect to win any uphill drag races. – Mike Ferrentino VERNON FELTON: Who’s the ideal rider for the Process 111?CHRIS MANDELL: Hard one to answer…Any bike is just a tool in the hands of the rider. For me personally this bike feels ‘ideal’ because it bunny hops like nothing else, has traction for days and accelerates in places which it shouldn’t which scares me. But I can think of other riders who like it because it has the snap of an XC bike but with the monster trucking ability of a 27.5 – 150mm bike. A lot of what is going on with this bicycle is the interplay between travel, wheelsize and geometry. We are ‘buying’ the ability to excel in technical terrain with excellent geometry (fit and frame) and wheelsize. The travel is just there to take the edge off.VF: What were you aiming for, in terms of ride traits, when you designed the 111?CM: We wanted the maneuverability and responsiveness of the Honzo but with just enough travel to take the edge off and provide grip.VF: How did you, from a design and engineering perspective, achieve those goals?CM: A lot of hard work. We started by spending a lot of time balancing the STA, travel amount, BBD and Chainstay length in a 2D model. Once we had a range of what we thought was workable we jumped into the 3D modeling to sort out what was actually workable given the constraints of 29” wheels. Really the hard part of this bike was not designing it. The hard part was creating the vision for it, staking out the fresh ground where this bike was to live. It meant we had to look beyond the 27.5 hype and mentality that 29ers are only for XC…we had to innovate.VF: When the Process 111 debuted last year, it was kind of on its own desert island. I mean, Banshee’s Prime was coming from a similar direction, but it had more travel. For 2015, however, the Process 111 has a lot of company: there are now a fair number of aggressive, slack-geo, low-slung, long front-center, short-travel 29ers (how’s that for an endless list of modifiers?). So, what sets the Process 111 apart from some other bikes in this growing niche?CM: We have the gold star for being first to the party? My review of the other bikes now in this category suggests that we are still leading the charge: Longest reach and a lower TT than our competition.VF: If someone is looking at the Process 111, they’re probably also eyeing the Process 134, the slightly longer-travel, 650b sibling. The two bikes can tackle a lot of the same terrain. What kind of rider would be better suited, then, with the Process 111?CM: Good question. The Process 111 and 134 are equally capable bikes, they just do things differently. So it is a little bit hard to talk about pros and cons but perhaps temperaments?134 – Intuitive, stable and responsive111 – Aggressive, speed and responsiveTerrain also plays a role. If I lived and rode in Bend I would get the Process 111. Whistler? The 134. Santa Cruz? The 111. Bellingham? I would want both.And when it breaks, who do I bribe to get a warranty?
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 or... An Anthem SX. Or the Ibis Ripley. Also a VERY good bike. If it were my money, it'd be the Kona. Then up a travel segment, the Trance. Then the Kona 153. And and and - SO MANY CHOICES!!!
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 And when it breaks, who do I bribe to get a warranty?insurance. But ito breakage, Kona have gotten a LOT better. Their Abra Cadabra was the last one that was plagued with that sort of thing, and that was about 4 years ago. Totally different design philosophy and suspension design now.
Bizkit031 Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 insurance. But ito breakage, Kona have gotten a LOT better. Their Abra Cadabra was the last one that was plagued with that sort of thing, and that was about 4 years ago. Totally different design philosophy and suspension design now. And when it breaks, who do I bribe to get a warranty? insurance. But ito breakage, Kona have gotten a LOT better. Their Abra Cadabra was the last one that was plagued with that sort of thing, and that was about 4 years ago. Totally different design philosophy and suspension design now. All bikes break Kona is strong,brand bashers.
Bizkit031 Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Maybe look for a 2nd hand Pyga 110 on the hub.
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 All bikes break Kona is strong,brand bashers.yep. Old Kona & new Kona are strong. Much like the Anthem of 2 to 4 years ago, they had a bit of a bad spot with breakages. But which brand doesn't? Some get sold with cracks, some come with cracks straight out the factory, and some just develop them over time. No brand is immune. Why do you think Cannondale is called Crackendale? Yet when is the last time you heard of one cracking in normal riding conditions and NOT in an accident... Early scalpels?
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Maybe look for a 2nd hand Pyga 110 on the hub.Another VERY good option
GoLefty!! Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 yep. Old Kona & new Kona are strong. Much like the Anthem of 2 to 4 years ago, they had a bit of a bad spot with breakages. But which brand doesn't? Some get sold with cracks, some come with cracks straight out the factory, and some just develop them over time. No brand is immune. Why do you think Cannondale is called Crackendale? Yet when is the last time you heard of one cracking in normal riding conditions and NOT in an accident... Early scalpels? Cannondale got the crak'n fail name due to the 2.8 road frame having a flattened tube section just ahead of the rear drop out on the seat stay. they all cracked and failed there. That's when they replaced 2.8 with CAAD. 120-140mm travel trail bikes are dime a dozen these days especially in 29er format. I'd opt for the trailfox of two initially enquired about but the Rocky Mountain Instinct or Giant Trance would be my first choices. Either fitted with a LEfty Max 130/140 of course
Monark Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 My vote Giant Trance Advanced (carbon)... awesome bike!!!
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