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The Tacx Neo T2800 should also be on your look list. Unlike the Cyclops shown above it does not use a flywheel, the resistance is controlled by electro magnetic fields giving the most life like road feel.

 

It is also Smart enabled, meeting the new ANT+ FE-C protocol meaning you can control your workout from a device like your Garmin 520 or similar and you can choose any FE-C software you want such as Tacx, Zwift, TP, Wahoo or even Cycleops. Also with ANT+ or Bluetooth® Smart so pairing with any tablet or smart-phone is a cinch.

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The Tacx Neo T2800 should also be on your look list. Unlike the Cyclops shown above it does not use a flywheel, the resistance is controlled by electro magnetic fields giving the most life like road feel.

 

It is also Smart enabled, meeting the new ANT+ FE-C protocol meaning you can control your workout from a device like your Garmin 520 or similar and you can choose any FE-C software you want such as Tacx, Zwift, TP, Wahoo or even Cycleops. Also with ANT+ or Bluetooth® Smart so pairing with any tablet or smart-phone is a cinch.

Lack of support is really the issue with Tacx....Is too big of an investment to gamble. 

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The Tacx Neo T2800 should also be on your look list. Unlike the Cyclops shown above it does not use a flywheel, the resistance is controlled by electro magnetic fields giving the most life like road feel.

 

It is also Smart enabled, meeting the new ANT+ FE-C protocol meaning you can control your workout from a device like your Garmin 520 or similar and you can choose any FE-C software you want such as Tacx, Zwift, TP, Wahoo or even Cycleops. Also with ANT+ or Bluetooth® Smart so pairing with any tablet or smart-phone is a cinch.

FE-C is now available in most smart trainers including CycleOps and KICKR. 

 

Same goes for electro magnetic resistance management. What makes the NEO interesting is that it has a motor that simulates downhills... if you are into that. 

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FE-C is now available in most smart trainers including CycleOps and KICKR. 

 

Same goes for electro magnetic resistance management. What makes the NEO interesting is that it has a motor that simulates downhills... if you are into that. 

Yea...kinda of useless...maybe some application in VR scenarios but ja...meh. Also if the neo delivers resitance anything like the bushido does I would stay clear...it feels like you climbing stairs vs smooth hill. The cyclops and wahoo trainers deliver resistance much more real world. 

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Yea...kinda of useless...maybe some application in VR scenarios but ja...meh. Also if the neo delivers resitance anything like the bushido does I would stay clear...it feels like you climbing stairs vs smooth hill. The cyclops and wahoo trainers deliver resistance much more real world. 

The Neo is about as close to the Bushido as a Ferrari is to a Lada. But why let the facts get in the way of long held views? Maybe actually took at the trainer?

 

The whole point of the Neo development was to make it the most realistic of all the trainers. And to make it the quietest. By all accounts they achieved both.

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FE-C is now available in most smart trainers including CycleOps and KICKR. 

 

Same goes for electro magnetic resistance management. What makes the NEO interesting is that it has a motor that simulates downhills... if you are into that. 

With whopping great big fly wheels on both of those. The benefit of no flywheel goes a lot further than stimulating downhills.

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The Neo is about as close to the Bushido as a Ferrari is to a Lada. But why let the facts get in the way of long held views? Maybe actually took at the trainer?

 

The whole point of the Neo development was to make it the most realistic of all the trainers. And to make it the quietest. By all accounts they achieved both.

good to know, support however is the killer with ol tacx, they have a reputation for caring rocks when the poo hits the fan. Remember how they handled a mate of mine when he purchased a bushido...was a total dogshow. I will wait until their local backup and hardware have matured a bit more...again its too big of an investment to gamble. 

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good to know, support however is the killer with ol tacx, they have a reputation for caring rocks when the poo hits the fan. Remember how they handled a mate of mine when he purchased a bushido...was a total dogshow. I will wait until their local backup and hardware have matured a bit more...again its too big of an investment to gamble. 

Yeah, the local distributor not the best. And the investment is huge at R18,655 plus VAT ex CRC or a gazillion from a SA retailer.

 

Having said that though I have had fabulous value for money from my Fortius bought in 2005 and still use it regularly. Even if I can't ride greater than about an 8% gradient rendering most VR courses irrelevant.

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Yeah, the local distributor not the best. And the investment is huge at R18,655 plus VAT ex CRC or a gazillion from a SA retailer.

 

Having said that though I have had fabulous value for money from my Fortius bought in 2005 and still use it regularly. Even if I can't ride greater than about an 8% gradient rendering most VR courses irrelevant.

 

 

well you can simulate greater gradient by pressing the little lever under your right finger :)

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well you can simulate greater gradient by pressing the little lever under your right finger :)

Not really, once on both left sprocket thingys and you're on the Mortirolo doing 12 kph with your rear wheel slipping and Rouxtjie said. Pressing levers just increases the slipping. That's why the NEO is so good, 25% gradient no problem.

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FE-C is now available in most smart trainers including CycleOps and KICKR.

Christian, thanks. Do you know if it available for the SNAP, with a firmware update?

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DC Rainmaker on the noise levels

 

Neo v Kicker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2iGV6VYBKY

 

Hammer, from 5:05

https://youtu.be/5P9t1Cd_UBw?t=5m5s

 

His quote:

So what about noise and sound levels?  Well, the Hammer isn’t silent, but it’s also not loud.  It officially clocks in at 64db (per CycleOps measurements) at 20MPH, and per their measurements the KICKR is 72db.  Meanwhile, also per their measurements the NEO is 58db.  Those last two numbers are in the ballpark of my measurements for these devices.

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@>R20K we're really splitting hairs around which is better.

 

Someone coming off an older TACX unit may prefer to opt for NEO as no further expense in training software is required. TTS4 will upload to Trainingpeaks for analysis.

 

the Kickr requires you to still purchase software so that narrows the financial outlay gap.

 

Choice for me boils down to reliability and feel. So far I like the feel of the TACX more than the Kickr but it is still in a very different league to my old I-magic.

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@>R20K we're really splitting hairs around which is better.

 

Someone coming off an older TACX unit may prefer to opt for NEO as no further expense in training software is required. TTS4 will upload to Trainingpeaks for analysis.

 

the Kickr requires you to still purchase software so that narrows the financial outlay gap.

 

Choice for me boils down to reliability and feel. So far I like the feel of the TACX more than the Kickr but it is still in a very different league to my old I-magic.

well considering the investment of the high end trainers its really a good exercise since you dont want to to buy again.

 

For me local support(by nature these trainers are techie....), future proof, function and reliability are the main checkpoints. And its multiplication exercise not a sum of the above scores.

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