The 100th Giro d'Italia

[Mntboy]

From that article.

 

The top five fastest times will be awarded with 8, 5, 3, 2 and 1 points, respectively. At the end of the Giro d'Italia, the rider with the most points will earn €5000, with €3000 for second and €2000 for third place. The winner of the descending competition earns the same amount as the winner of the mountains classification of overall best climber.

 

While most of the segments come early or mid-stage, the descending competition on stage 11 will be challenged alongside a push for the stage victory - the Monte Fumaiolo, which crests at km 135.8, begins the day's descending segment with just 25.2km left in the stage. The stage 15 Selvino descent comes with 28.2km to go. The Stelvio on stage 16 is the Cima Coppi - the highest point of the Giro - and its segment comes just before the decisive Umbrailpass and the downhill finish to Bormio.

 

- that's a bit of cash for a smaller team..but sjoe it's not worth the risk.

 

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Serious prize of they are willing to pay the same for it as the KOM comp!

 

That said it probably isn't the brightest idea as a side from Nibbles which of the top road descenders would be there to compete for this? And even those guys can and do crash. Add in the danger of a bunch crash when you have the 'lesser skilled' taking it on. I shudder to think of the consequences if we lose a rising star because of a comp like this. Would really prefer to not read another Chad Young article.

 

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[Gen]

Serious prize of they are willing to pay the same for it as the KOM comp!

 

That said it probably isn't the brightest idea as a side from Nibbles which of the top road descenders would be there to compete for this? And even those guys can and do crash. Add in the danger of a bunch crash when you have the 'lesser skilled' taking it on. I shudder to think of the consequences if we lose a rising star because of a comp like this. Would really prefer to not read another Chad Young article.

 

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We even saw the top DH riders not risk the runs in the bad weather on Sunday.. and they wear a lot more protection than the road guys.

 

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[Patchelicious]

Look, this probably is not the best idea to come out if some "strat session" in the last while.

 

But to think that the guys were previously already not going flat out on the descents is a little naive.

 

The "lesser" riders will not do more than before, they will still ride for their GC guys, and those teams who would risk attacking on the descents for a stage win will still do it.

 

This is more about the wrong message being sent than the actual and practical implication of the prize.

 

Froome didn't do this to win some Descender Prize....

 

[Patchelicious]

We even saw the top DH riders not risk the runs in the bad weather on Sunday.. and they wear a lot more protection than the road guys.

 

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Oh, so the rider have a say in how fast they ride down hills? Thought that once a prize was presented that their bikes auto-sped up....

[Mntboy]

We even saw the top DH riders not risk the runs in the bad weather on Sunday.. and they wear a lot more protection than the road guys.

 

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I think the DH gents are also more skilled ito going fast in bad conditions. But they don't have to do so as a pack which is a massive advantage as far as predictability and line choice go. Also they are more prepared mentally for the risks attached to going downhil super rapidly. I don't feel one can say the same for the road guys tbh. And that includes the likes of Nibbles, Mr Rich, Sagz and Alaphilipe.

 

If organisers really want a descending comp how about a descending ITT? That could be good fun and safer for the riders.

 

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[Patchelicious]

I think the DH gents are also more skilled ito going fast in bad conditions. But they don't have to do so as a pack which is a massive advantage as far as predictability and line choice go. Also they are more prepared mentally for the risks attached to going downhil super rapidly. I don't feel one can say the same for the road guys tbh. And that includes the likes of Nibbles, Mr Rich, Sagz and Alaphilipe.

 

If organisers really want a descending comp how about a descending ITT? That could be good fun and safer for the riders.

 

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If you are in the main bunch on the downhills, you are not going for the prize in the first place.

['Dale]

Are you excited yet?

Just a bit bit?

 

I'll leave this here

 

 

[Gen]

Oh, so the rider have a say in how fast they ride down hills? Thought that once a prize was presented that their bikes auto-sped up....

He he, Indeed it is up to the riders to make that decision to descend fast or not. You won't be seeing any of the GC risk it for a extra cash, but they will risk it to get a gap on others and that they do on any case.

 

 

 

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[Mntboy]

If you are in the main bunch on the downhills, you are not going for the prize in the first place.

Agreed. My concerns rest with the breakaway riders though. Whether this comp goes ahead or not I genuinely hope to see good judgement from the guys when descending.

 

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[Gen]

Agreed. My concerns rest with the breakaway riders though. Whether this comp goes ahead or not I genuinely hope to see good judgement from the guys when descending.

 

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Hey we often see (on the big mountain stages) that the sprinters way at the back clock the fastest times down some descents to make cut off, so it isn't going to be guaranteed that the break away get the fastest times..

 

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[coppi]

Hey we often see (on the big mountain stages) that the sprinters way at the back clock the fastest times down some descents to make cut off, so it isn't going to be guaranteed that the break away get the fastest times..

 

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They are up to 20 kg heavier, so It should be the case........

[Mntboy]

Hey we often see (on the big mountain stages) that the sprinters way at the back clock the fastest times down some descents to make cut off, so it isn't going to be guaranteed that the break away get the fastest times..

 

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Well they'll probably be doing that regardless of the descending comp or not. I am sure making the cut off is way more stressful than winning a new comp.

 

As indicated I am not against such a comp in principle provided it is done with rider safety in mind such as a ITT. That said the riders also need to know what is in their ability to do ie they need to show good judgement in their decision making wrt this.

 

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[Patchelicious]

They are up to 20 kg heavier, so It should be the case........

Chatting to guys who have ridden the Giro, Vuelta etc.

 

The guys at the back descend waaaay faster that the guys at the front.

Its not even a discussion point with them, its a given, they look at you like you a moron when you seem surprised by this. The lighter guys in the autobus actually attack the rest of the guys on the way up, just to get a little buffer for the descent. TV guys should actually cover that

[Patchelicious]

This is a silly idea, lets face it, but for more complex reasons.

 

Will there be a handful of Pro Conti guys who will risk more than usual to get themselves into prize giving, yes sure. But it will be a minority.

 

Where it is a real problem, is race organizer vs rider relations.

There is already a perception that the race organizers don't care about the riders. This just adds to that perception.

 

As with the disc brake issues, this is more a slap in the face of the riders than a real safety issue.

[Fat Boab]

Chatting to guys who have ridden the Giro, Vuelta etc.

 

The guys at the back descend waaaay faster that the guys at the front.

Its not even a discussion point with them, its a given, they look at you like you a moron when you seem surprised by this. The lighter guys in the autos actually attack the rest of the guys on the way u, just to get a little buffer for the descent. TV guys should actually cover that

 

Every mamils' secret weapon....!

[Pure Savage]

Has someone worked out if its fastest time down the mountain for first 4 down the mountain like KOM and sprint?

 

If its fastest time, it adds nothing to the viewing and only after the stage can you work out where you came for the day. Its a bit doff, doesn't really add to the viewing.  Rather throw the money at the team comp rather.

 

Then you can chose, go for a lead rider or top 4/5 riders across the line.