ewep Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 How about this one on the kempekkernoglia website nogal' date=' on the use of their Ultra Narrow extremely expensive 10 speed chain. Go and read this!!!!!!! Quite hillarious....... they even warn cyclists (can you call people who use kempekker cyclists!!!!!????) to wear safety glasses when using this product....... I shudder when I think of passing a kempekker using this chain that it may expode killing innocent bystanders, babies and cyslcists.... heaven forbid!!!!!! http://hubcycles.retail.sprint3.com/package/webService/kernel_resources_render.asp?strResourceCode=33.269WARNING!FAILURE TO FOLLOW THESE INSTRUCTIONS COULD RESULT IN FAILURE OF THE PRODUCT,AN ACCIDENT, PERSONAL INJURY OR DEATH.[/quote'] Oom H, post the rest:An incorrectly assembled chain can break, resulting in an accident, personalinjury, or death. If you have any doubt whatsoever regarding your abilityto properly perform any of the operations in this manual, please take yourbicycle to a qualified repair shop.
Guest Big H Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 Ja ewep, seker maar dieselfde redes hoekom hulle met 'n nuwe ontwerp vorendag gaan kom....... laat mens nogal dink laat dit nie. Hulle copy van die outboard BB's was toe 'n floppie??????
ewep Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 eweps bike are VERY nice' date=' except the pie crumbs in the bar tape [/quote'] I cleaned it off right after you left, PROMISE!
Guest Big H Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 Wag laat ek nou ophou stir, ek weet van die moderators is kempekkers en dalk Admin ook................ netnou word hierdie topic ook gestop!!!!!!!! kempekkers kan nie juis kritiek hanteer nie!!!!!!!!
madmarc Posted May 13, 2008 Author Posted May 13, 2008 Now' date='now be nice to the newbie, The Shimano,campag debate is a world wide topic that has been going on for many years now! I do not agree with you, as a fellow mechanic that has worked on many pro s bikes it is our job to check every thing, including cables and to make sure that things like this dont happen, Yes, it could be a faulty cable ( can happen to any cable company) Or like most of the pro s they try save weight by going upmarket cable kits, they light ,thinner and break eazyer at times! But its sad for all of us to blame shimano when none of us really know the real story, we just guessing- im just give you a mechanic s point of view! As for the torque setting for Shimano dura-ace crankset, You need to spend less time on this site and more in the shimano web site!These are the correct settings quickly for you! 1- Torque setting for bb are 35-50 n.m ( not the crank bolts fellow hubber) We are not talking about the BB we are talking abount the crank bolt!!!!!2-Torque settings for crank cap (that fits into the crank axile shaft) are0.7-1.5 n.m It's actually 5 - 7 Nm for the cap (0.7 - 1.5Nm could be done by hand without a torque wrench) besides once again we not talking about the cap!!!!!! we are talking about the crank bolt!!!!! Now go back to your room and learn how to read torque values - no wonder you can only work on sh*tmaNo3-Each bolt need to be evenly and equally to torqued to 12-15 n.mthe torque on ther crank bolt is 35 - 50 Nm according to the Dura Space manual - see picture below If your mechanic or shop does not do this the crank will fall off every time and so my friend you have never met a real mechanic yet!! Any one who says "tighten it until it strips and then 1 turn back" Need to stay far away for any tool s or workshop! Thanks for the welcome note but i just happen to one of your" highly knowledgeable people" Once you ve read the complete shimano tech manuals - come back to me and we can chat! I have read all their manuals, in fact i own all their manuals as well as Campagnolo manuals - and i'm not even a bike mechanic. So you who professes to be a bike mechanic maybe you need to find a different trade or learn to read and undrstand the difference between a crank cap and a crank bolt and then go learn what a torque wrench is as well as how to use it - THEN WE CAN CHAT!!!!!!!!! Enjoy your day buddy! I enjoy everyday and i'm not your buddy cause you don't ride campy [/quote'] WTF!!!!!! us campag guys have got to do everything around here sigh!!!!!!
ewep Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 Wag laat ek nou ophou stir' date=' ek weet van die moderators is kempekkers en dalk Admin ook................ netnou word hierdie topic ook gestop!!!!!!!! kempekkers kan nie juis kritiek hanteer nie!!!!!!!![/quote'] Ai oom H, if only you shimaNO people just can accept that you bought an inferior product!!!
madmarc Posted May 13, 2008 Author Posted May 13, 2008 kempekker enjoy this!!!!!!!!!!!! teee heeeeee!!!!!!! From www.bikeforums.net http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-178894.html "After the first Shimano 2007 news' date=' some rumours about Campagnolo are spreading on the internet.It is said that Campagnolo cranksets will be totally redesigned for the next year. They'll use a system similar to Shimano because of the external bearings but they will be ultra-narrow to lower the Q-Factor.The crank/bottom bracket is different than the Shimano in that the crank is 2 ?L? shaped items that fit together mechnically in the center of the bottom bracket spindle.Still according to rumours, Campagnolo would be working closely with FRM and the first bikes equipped with the new cranksets would already be under tests on the road." and http://pardo.net/pardo/bike/pic/fail/FAIL-067.html 2007 Campagnolo Record "UltraTorque"-model bottom bracket using 6805(?)-series outboard cartridge bearings. The right (chainring-side) bearing failed.http://pardo.net/pardo/bike/pic/fail/campy-ultra-torque-0608.250.jpg http://pardo.net/pardo/bike/pic/fail/campy-ultra-torque-0612.250.jpg Found via occasional "popping" sound. Crank is marked CampagnoloL 172.5OB 715756SN 1518Hilly riding, typically slow pedaling/high-torque. Bike+rider approx 85 kgf. Approximately 1,000km use.On disassembly, clamp bolt "felt tight" but was not checked with torque wrench.It appears the bearings fractured in to small pieces that were able to escape from the cartridge without damage to either inner or outer race. In contrast, typical overload- and grit-induced failures cause bad bearing surface damage and eventual loose operation or race fracture.The bearing is a Conrad-style offset-fill bearing. While some of the cage was ejected, it does not appear to have been enough to allow ball rearrangement and self-disassembly.Metal debris was found in the bottom bracket but was not available for inspection.[/quote'] Read the highlighted section in red OOOOOOOOOOM Big H. If you don't clean & maintain it, it will break. I thought as an engineer even you would know this. But alas we campag guys have to do everything BTW you still havn't got Campagnolo spelt correctly - but keep trying you'll get it
AndreZA Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 Now' date='now be nice to the newbie, The Shimano,campag debate is a world wide topic that has been going on for many years now! I do not agree with you, as a fellow mechanic that has worked on many pro s bikes it is our job to check every thing, including cables and to make sure that things like this dont happen, Yes, it could be a faulty cable ( can happen to any cable company) Or like most of the pro s they try save weight by going upmarket cable kits, they light ,thinner and break eazyer at times! But its sad for all of us to blame shimano when none of us really know the real story, we just guessing- im just give you a mechanic s point of view! As for the torque setting for Shimano dura-ace crankset, You need to spend less time on this site and more in the shimano web site!These are the correct settings quickly for you! 1- Torque setting for bb are 35-50 n.m ( not the crank bolts fellow hubber) We are not talking about the BB we are talking abount the crank bolt!!!!!2-Torque settings for crank cap (that fits into the crank axile shaft) are0.7-1.5 n.m It's actually 5 - 7 Nm for the cap (0.7 - 1.5Nm could be done by hand without a torque wrench) besides once again we not talking about the cap!!!!!! we are talking about the crank bolt!!!!! Now go back to your room and learn how to read torque values - no wonder you can only work on sh*tmaNo3-Each bolt need to be evenly and equally to torqued to 12-15 n.mthe torque on ther crank bolt is 35 - 50 Nm according to the Dura Space manual - see picture below If your mechanic or shop does not do this the crank will fall off every time and so my friend you have never met a real mechanic yet!! Any one who says "tighten it until it strips and then 1 turn back" Need to stay far away for any tool s or workshop! Thanks for the welcome note but i just happen to one of your" highly knowledgeable people" Once you ve read the complete shimano tech manuals - come back to me and we can chat! I have read all their manuals, in fact i own all their manuals as well as Campagnolo manuals - and i'm not even a bike mechanic. So you who professes to be a bike mechanic maybe you need to find a different trade or learn to read and undrstand the difference between a crank cap and a crank bolt and then go learn what a torque wrench is as well as how to use it - THEN WE CAN CHAT!!!!!!!!! Enjoy your day buddy! I enjoy everyday and i'm not your buddy cause you don't ride campy [/quote'] WTF!!!!!! us campag guys have got to do everything around here sigh!!!!!! Shimano cranks don't look liek that anymore. 3-Each bolt need to be evenly and equally to torqued to 12-15 n.mthe torque on ther crank bolt is 35 - 50 Nm according to the Dura Space manual - see picture below He is talking about the two small bolts on the non drive side that basically holds the left arm on the BB axle.
Guest Big H Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 A Little Bit of History Shimano and Campagnolo have been around in one capacity or another for quite a long time. Tullio Campagnolo, a retired professional cyclist, founded Campagnolo in 1933. The company?s first product idea was a version of a quick release skewer (because his fingers froze during a race in the Alps) and they later pioneered advancements in multi-speed shifting technologies in the late 40?s and 50?s. Meanwhile, Shozabura Shimano put Shimano Iron Works on the map in 1921 when he developed a single speed freewheel. Shimano followed Campagnolo into the multi-speed component market in the 50?s and later developed the first market accepted indexed shifting systems. Shimano also introduced the dual control brake lever (shift and brake with the same control lever) to the public, which their marketing department called STI (Shimano Total Integration). The number of patents issued can be a good indicator of a company?s commitment to research and development (R&D) and innovation. The STI technology has been protected by one of 477 bicycle related patents the U.S. has granted Shimano since 1976. Shimano is also a diversified company that has other business ventures (fishing reels and snow boots/bindings) in which they have been issued an additional 557 U.S. patents. Product diversification allows the lessons learned in one part of the company to be transferred to another ? often times this is a good thing. On the other hand, Campagnolo has only 45 bicycle related patents in the U.S since 1976. (because kempekker has no real technology on offer)Shimano?s recent innovative technology, diversified business interests, significant investment in R&D and the close geographic proximity to the manufacturing Mecca of Southeast Asia has allowed Shimano to become the largest bicycle component manufacturer in the world. The long-standing history of both companies should re-assure the consumer, however. These companies will stand behind their product if there is a problem during the warranty period (3 years for all Campy products and Dura Ace and 2 years for the rest of the Shimano line) and they won?t skip town like some manufacturers did during the mid 90?s CNC craze. Die brokkie geskiedenis laat mens nogal dink ne!!!!!!
Sammajoor Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 Funny' date=' the campy and shimano supporters fight, and us SRAM okes just look on![/quote'] Jou leaky gas lyk nou net soos 'n team bike met die SRAM red nogal mooi hoor Dankie samma. Nou met ek net so begin ry ook! Haai Pella Ek laaik jou hansie geringer avatar. As jy daai ou hard genoeg op die een oor klap skroef sy kop af soos 'n wingnut
ewep Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 Funny' date=' the campy and shimano supporters fight, and us SRAM okes just look on![/quote'] Jou leaky gas lyk nou net soos 'n team bike met die SRAM red nogal mooi hoor Dankie samma. Nou met ek net so begin ry ook! Haai Pella Ek laaik jou hansie geringer avatar. As jy daai ou hard genoeg op die een oor klap skroef sy kop af soos 'n wingnut Moenie vir Hansie spotie!!! Hy's LANKAL geplant!
madmarc Posted May 13, 2008 Author Posted May 13, 2008 Now' date='now be nice to the newbie, The Shimano,campag debate is a world wide topic that has been going on for many years now! I do not agree with you, as a fellow mechanic that has worked on many pro s bikes it is our job to check every thing, including cables and to make sure that things like this dont happen, Yes, it could be a faulty cable ( can happen to any cable company) Or like most of the pro s they try save weight by going upmarket cable kits, they light ,thinner and break eazyer at times! But its sad for all of us to blame shimano when none of us really know the real story, we just guessing- im just give you a mechanic s point of view! As for the torque setting for Shimano dura-ace crankset, You need to spend less time on this site and more in the shimano web site!These are the correct settings quickly for you! 1- Torque setting for bb are 35-50 n.m ( not the crank bolts fellow hubber) We are not talking about the BB we are talking abount the crank bolt!!!!!2-Torque settings for crank cap (that fits into the crank axile shaft) are0.7-1.5 n.m It's actually 5 - 7 Nm for the cap (0.7 - 1.5Nm could be done by hand without a torque wrench) besides once again we not talking about the cap!!!!!! we are talking about the crank bolt!!!!! Now go back to your room and learn how to read torque values - no wonder you can only work on sh*tmaNo3-Each bolt need to be evenly and equally to torqued to 12-15 n.mthe torque on ther crank bolt is 35 - 50 Nm according to the Dura Space manual - see picture below If your mechanic or shop does not do this the crank will fall off every time and so my friend you have never met a real mechanic yet!! Any one who says "tighten it until it strips and then 1 turn back" Need to stay far away for any tool s or workshop! Thanks for the welcome note but i just happen to one of your" highly knowledgeable people" Once you ve read the complete shimano tech manuals - come back to me and we can chat! I have read all their manuals, in fact i own all their manuals as well as Campagnolo manuals - and i'm not even a bike mechanic. So you who professes to be a bike mechanic maybe you need to find a different trade or learn to read and undrstand the difference between a crank cap and a crank bolt and then go learn what a torque wrench is as well as how to use it - THEN WE CAN CHAT!!!!!!!!! Enjoy your day buddy! I enjoy everyday and i'm not your buddy cause you don't ride campy [/quote'] WTF!!!!!! us campag guys have got to do everything around here sigh!!!!!! Shimano cranks don't look liek that anymore. 3-Each bolt need to be evenly and equally to torqued to 12-15 n.mthe torque on ther crank bolt is 35 - 50 Nm according to the Dura Space manual - see picture below He is talking about the two small bolts on the non drive side that basically holds the left arm on the BB axle. Which according to that particular manual is fixed to the adaptors left & right which need top be torqued to 35 - 50Nm. in the picture it is clear that the entire BB has come out of the frame.
Guest Big H Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 kempekker enjoy this!!!!!!!!!!!! teee heeeeee!!!!!!! From www.bikeforums.net http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-178894.html "After the first Shimano 2007 news' date=' some rumours about Campagnolo are spreading on the internet.It is said that Campagnolo cranksets will be totally redesigned for the next year. They'll use a system similar to Shimano because of the external bearings but they will be ultra-narrow to lower the Q-Factor.The crank/bottom bracket is different than the Shimano in that the crank is 2 ?L? shaped items that fit together mechnically in the center of the bottom bracket spindle.Still according to rumours, Campagnolo would be working closely with FRM and the first bikes equipped with the new cranksets would already be under tests on the road." and http://pardo.net/pardo/bike/pic/fail/FAIL-067.html 2007 Campagnolo Record "UltraTorque"-model bottom bracket using 6805(?)-series outboard cartridge bearings. The right (chainring-side) bearing failed.http://pardo.net/pardo/bike/pic/fail/campy-ultra-torque-0608.250.jpg http://pardo.net/pardo/bike/pic/fail/campy-ultra-torque-0612.250.jpg Found via occasional "popping" sound. Crank is marked CampagnoloL 172.5OB 715756SN 1518Hilly riding, typically slow pedaling/high-torque. Bike+rider approx 85 kgf. Approximately 1,000km use.On disassembly, clamp bolt "felt tight" but was not checked with torque wrench.It appears the bearings fractured in to small pieces that were able to escape from the cartridge without damage to either inner or outer race. In contrast, typical overload- and grit-induced failures cause bad bearing surface damage and eventual loose operation or race fracture.The bearing is a Conrad-style offset-fill bearing. While some of the cage was ejected, it does not appear to have been enough to allow ball rearrangement and self-disassembly.Metal debris was found in the bottom bracket but was not available for inspection.[/quote'] Read the highlighted section in red OOOOOOOOOOM Big H. If you don't clean & maintain it, it will break. I thought as an engineer even you would know this. But alas we campag guys have to do everything BTW you still havn't got Campagnolo spelt correctly - but keep trying you'll get it As a "learned" professional you should know if this goes to arbitration I WILL be able to prove that the grit entered due to the bad design of the whole component. That is maybe why they are going to change the design.!!!!!! Suck on that for a while you dirty kempekker!!!!!!!! Teee heeeee!!!!!!!
javadude Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 How about this one on the kempekkernoglia website nogal' date=' on the use of their Ultra Narrow extremely expensive 10 speed chain. Go and read this!!!!!!! Quite hillarious....... they even warn cyclists (can you call people who use kempekker cyclists!!!!!????) to wear safety glasses when using this product....... I shudder when I think of passing a kempekker using this chain that it may expode killing innocent bystanders, babies and cyslcists.... heaven forbid!!!!!! http://hubcycles.retail.sprint3.com/package/webService/kernel_resources_render.asp?strResourceCode=33.269WARNING!FAILURE TO FOLLOW THESE INSTRUCTIONS COULD RESULT IN FAILURE OF THE PRODUCT,AN ACCIDENT, PERSONAL INJURY OR DEATH.[/quote'] This is just a standard disclaimer designed to protect stupid Americans from themselves. Give a yank a chain link remover and a chain is just asking for trouble, likely ending up with the chain wrapped around his intestines and the link embedded in his eye.
madmarc Posted May 13, 2008 Author Posted May 13, 2008 mmmmmm arbitration mmmmmmmm you have to be a civil engineer, because they take everything they don't understand or complete properly in a contract to arbitration. It's the only way they can save face and make money
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