NotSoBigBen Posted April 24, 2009 Share Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed Posted April 24, 2009 Share mmmmmmmmm?i think we also need to find out why you have pics of little girls' outfits at hand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted April 24, 2009 Share mmmmmmmmm?i think we also need to find out why you have pics of little girls' outfits at hand? Is it to match the blonde wig ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotSoBigBen Posted April 24, 2009 Share mmmmmmmmm?i think we also need to find out why you have pics of little girls' outfits at hand? Because of how often you girls come out with these silly questions ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed Posted April 24, 2009 Share mmmmmmmmm?i think we also need to find out why you have pics of little girls' outfits at hand? Is it to match the blonde wig ? should i post the pic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodTi Posted April 24, 2009 Share I'm with the crowd that reckons whatever floats your boat' date=' and is comfortable... If you're a die-hard XC rider, concerned about weightweenie issues and religiously pay heed to the platitudes of the Style-man, then NO - under NO circumstances, are you to bring a bar-end near to a riser bar... Since, in the eyes of many of such disciples, you're already too much of a pansy to suck it up and ride with a flat bar - why in the name of all that is holy would you want to place something designed to give you options on hand-positions (read 'options of comfort') on top of a [spit'] riser-bar that already gives you different options.... The insanity thereof.... If, on the other hand, you're of the group that raises the fat-two-fingered-salute to the ethereal b-sh*t that occasionally surrounds this wonderful obsession of ours - then do what you want. If bar-ends give you more hours in the saddle, then put 'em on - and blow bubbles in the general direction of those who sneer.... Purple bar-ends rock... How very sarcastic of you RodTi. Thank you. You're very sweet. Let me guess that you have bar ends on your riser bars? Uhhhm - nope. They looked reallllllllll fugly on my ride. Purple ones perhaps? Uhhhmm nope. But back in the day, purple bull-horns (not bar-ends) were the sizzle... But then, you might not agree with that... Oh wait - do I care?Here are a couple of reasons why you SHOULDNT have bar ends on your risers: [Can't wait.]1) The angle of the riser bars is not straight like XC flat bars. [One point.] Typically riser bars angle upward and inward. [One point.] By putting bar ends onto your risers, you end up with bar ends sticking outwards like great big hooks to hook onto branches and newbies. [-2 points.] [Dude. Seriously. When was the last time you had a look at bar-ends? They don't point outwards - they are specifically designed to point inwards, or else, you'd "hook onto branches and newbies..." Their design used to be rather more hazardous - but again, that was back in the day - when trail/singletrack riding was less 'claustrophobic'. Of course, some say, that riding through a narrow trail with bar-ends, takes more skill....] Normally, riser bars are left wide. [1/2 point.] [Or, if you don't like them wide - you could cut them back (*gasp*)...] Usually, the are around 650mm and upwards. [Yes] This, believe it or not [Ripley], provides extra leverage when cornering in technical terrain, as well as extra balance when doing nice big airs and drop-offs. [Really? Yes? Altenatively: "well, doh".] Add to this now your [mine, yours, everybody] purple bar ends [or purple bull horns - see above] sticking out at an angle [see above], and you might end up with needing to cut the trails wider, or even build bridges that are 3 meters wide [Tokai?] so you and your bars can get through. But of course - where have you been? Surely, on your all-mountain sojourns, you must have bumped into those crazy purple bar-end/bull-horn fiends, carrying their battery-operated chainsaws back into the bush/trail/forest to go and cut-back on that pestilential trail that tried to rip their beloved purple bar-ends/horns off their trusty steeds??? This brings me to my second point... [oh goody! ]2) Usually riser bars are put onto the relaxed angled all mountain type setup. [so putting them on XC rides is ok? Or only if done, 'un'-usually so?] Us all mountain riders [so you're an 'all mountain rider', huh? Wow. Awesome. Respect.] are not usually so hung up on bending the cranks up hills, with the need for so much extra leverage that these purple bar ends of yours so suitably supply. [so you assume, firstly, that I've got purple bar-ends/horns, secondly, that I'm not one of your all-mountain types, thirdly, that if I were, I wouldn't be hung up on climbing and lastly, even if I were - I wouldn't want extra leverage... Goodness - you must read minds... ]3) The kinds of folks who retro-fit all mountain type riser bars to a XC designed flat bar bike are in denial [Really? That's a pretty meaty statement. Would love to hear how you got to this conclusion], and secretly wish they'd bought a bike made for having fun, and not one made for having "minimum rolling resistance". [Whilst not wishing to speak on behalf of the "others" - here's a thought - maybe other people don't fit into your little neat categorisation of what mtb'ing is all about - maybe some people have 'fun' on a "minimum-rolling resistance" XC bike, doing stuff you all-mountain riders do... Maybe they do a bit of both, and don't see the need to have 2 bikes for 2 different styles of riding. I'd want to say it's pretty presumptious of you to suggest that a XC rider with a riser bar is clearly a denialist who wishes with all his heart he'd bought a 'fun' all-mountain bike so that he could thrash around with it - but then, maybe I'd come across as being sarcastic...]4) Bar ends on riser bars make quite nasty puncture holes in torsos and if they dont hook up on a branch, will leave you wishing you'd not done the Fairy trail when the bridge was wet, leading to you slipping and the bar ends ending up in your chest. [Dude. "Puncture holes in torsos?" Really? You do know that we're talking about bar-ends - and that 'bull-horns' don't actually mean sharp, pointy, horns.... You appear to be a person prone to falling on your handlebars. Maybe you should consider switching to XC to improve your skills (even though, you'd have to buy a XC bike to do that) - before returning to all-mountain... Wait. I've just read what you wrote again - did you actually slip on a wet bridge and impale your torso on your bar-ends? Hectic. No disrespect - but do you have photos? How deep were you impaled? And what does having bar-ends on your ride have anything to do with slipping on a wet bridge? And what, in the name of all that is holy, were you doing with bar-ends on your bike? ]5) They look very silly, especially if you choose purple ones. [ok ok ok. Would you prefer pink? Maybe fuschia?]6) Bar ends on risers only really look good if you have the matching 'BOY' or 'Tonto' metal plate style cap, to wear afterwards along with some really neat Buffalo raver boots and a t-shirt from Mr.Price or Billabong. [You appear to know wayyyyy more about the particular style required than is safe - I'll just leave this one as is....]7) Bar ends on risers should only ever be used if you're the kind of person who can't take a joke, in which case, after the flaming you'll send my way for this, will let us know the status. [Oh touche. Velly velly clever Peter for dropping this little gem in here... Be that as it may, from the ribbing you suggest a rider would get for putting bar-ends on a riser bar - never mind purple horns - I'd suggest one would have to be pretty good at taking a joke... Unless one would simply decide to wave the fat-two-fingered-salute at the very ethereal b-sh*t surrounding our obsession, as initially suggested...]Oh, no, wait...you can have different hand positions if you use bar ends? ["Yes You CAN..."] Awesome, I've been dying to have my hands far from the brakes [Ok. Try sitting on them. ] Which bar ends would you recommend if get? [Try some black KCNC's... they're pretty sweet. And you'd be pleased to know - they face inwards rather sharply AND you could get them with PURPLE bolts! ] Btw, I have mid risers cut to 680mm. Will this look cool? [I really don't know dude. I'm not going to jump to assumptions with regards to what you, or your ride, do or don't look like. But you seem to have a very definitive idea of what's cool, and what's not - so rock on, boyTonto!]see ya'll, hahahaha [Ok, hahahahahaha]Oh, and one last thing - bustthesickness - in the name of all that is still sane, normal, and categorisable in this world, do not, under any circumstances, Google a Jeff Jones H-Bar. Because that man clearly has no clue what he's doing... Designing his own bikes. Riding trails/singeltrack with that bar on his bikes. Madness. Denialist madness, I tell you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Li Mu Bai Posted April 24, 2009 Share NO!! First of all NO Riser bars as its uncomplementing (if there is such a word) the bike' date=' It looks stupid. and NO again (for the same reasons) for the bar ends. try to ride without them, and after 2 hours you wont feel a difference.. [/quote'] Nonsense! Bar ends give you another option to holding your bar, great when climbing or relaxing along single track. It is a totally personal choice, doesnt matter if its on riser bars or flat bars. doesnt look bad either.Do whatever makes you comfortable. The only time you should worry about bar ends is if you have put them on your Chopper or BMX. edit: PS Butthick - jeez dude, havent read such rubbish in a while, good answers RodTiRude2009-04-24 10:25:44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustthesickness Posted April 24, 2009 Share I'm with the crowd that reckons whatever floats your boat' date=' and is comfortable... If you're a die-hard XC rider, concerned about weightweenie issues and religiously pay heed to the platitudes of the Style-man, then NO - under NO circumstances, are you to bring a bar-end near to a riser bar... Since, in the eyes of many of such disciples, you're already too much of a pansy to suck it up and ride with a flat bar - why in the name of all that is holy would you want to place something designed to give you options on hand-positions (read 'options of comfort') on top of a [spit'] riser-bar that already gives you different options.... The insanity thereof.... If, on the other hand, you're of the group that raises the fat-two-fingered-salute to the ethereal b-sh*t that occasionally surrounds this wonderful obsession of ours - then do what you want. If bar-ends give you more hours in the saddle, then put 'em on - and blow bubbles in the general direction of those who sneer.... Purple bar-ends rock... How very sarcastic of you RodTi. Thank you. You're very sweet. Let me guess that you have bar ends on your riser bars? Uhhhm - nope. They looked reallllllllll fugly on my ride. Purple ones perhaps? Uhhhmm nope. But back in the day, purple bull-horns (not bar-ends) were the sizzle... But then, you might not agree with that... Oh wait - do I care? Here are a couple of reasons why you SHOULDNT have bar ends on your risers: [Can't wait.] 1) The angle of the riser bars is not straight like XC flat bars. [One point.] Typically riser bars angle upward and inward. [One point.] By putting bar ends onto your risers, you end up with bar ends sticking outwards like great big hooks to hook onto branches and newbies. [-2 points.] [Dude. Seriously. When was the last time you had a look at bar-ends? They don't point outwards - they are specifically designed to point inwards, or else, you'd "hook onto branches and newbies..." Their design used to be rather more hazardous - but again, that was back in the day - when trail/singletrack riding was less 'claustrophobic'. Of course, some say, that riding through a narrow trail with bar-ends, takes more skill....] Normally, riser bars are left wide. [1/2 point.] [Or, if you don't like them wide - you could cut them back (*gasp*)...] Usually, the are around 650mm and upwards. [Yes] This, believe it or not [Ripley], provides extra leverage when cornering in technical terrain, as well as extra balance when doing nice big airs and drop-offs. [Really? Yes? Altenatively: "well, doh".] Add to this now your [mine, yours, everybody] purple bar ends [or purple bull horns - see above] sticking out at an angle [see above], and you might end up with needing to cut the trails wider, or even build bridges that are 3 meters wide [Tokai?] so you and your bars can get through. But of course - where have you been? Surely, on your all-mountain sojourns, you must have bumped into those crazy purple bar-end/bull-horn fiends, carrying their battery-operated chainsaws back into the bush/trail/forest to go and cut-back on that pestilential trail that tried to rip their beloved purple bar-ends/horns off their trusty steeds??? This brings me to my second point... [oh goody! ] 2) Usually riser bars are put onto the relaxed angled all mountain type setup. [so putting them on XC rides is ok? Or only if done, 'un'-usually so?] Us all mountain riders [so you're an 'all mountain rider', huh? Wow. Awesome. Respect.] are not usually so hung up on bending the cranks up hills, with the need for so much extra leverage that these purple bar ends of yours so suitably supply. [so you assume, firstly, that I've got purple bar-ends/horns, secondly, that I'm not one of your all-mountain types, thirdly, that if I were, I wouldn't be hung up on climbing and lastly, even if I were - I wouldn't want extra leverage... Goodness - you must read minds... ]3) The kinds of folks who retro-fit all mountain type riser bars to a XC designed flat bar bike are in denial [Really? That's a pretty meaty statement. Would love to hear how you got to this conclusion], and secretly wish they'd bought a bike made for having fun, and not one made for having "minimum rolling resistance". [Whilst not wishing to speak on behalf of the "others" - here's a thought - maybe other people don't fit into your little neat categorisation of what mtb'ing is all about - maybe some people have 'fun' on a "minimum-rolling resistance" XC bike, doing stuff you all-mountain riders do... Maybe they do a bit of both, and don't see the need to have 2 bikes for 2 different styles of riding. I'd want to say it's pretty presumptious of you to suggest that a XC rider with a riser bar is clearly a denialist who wishes with all his heart he'd bought a 'fun' all-mountain bike so that he could thrash around with it - but then, maybe I'd come across as being sarcastic...]4) Bar ends on riser bars make quite nasty puncture holes in torsos and if they dont hook up on a branch, will leave you wishing you'd not done the Fairy trail when the bridge was wet, leading to you slipping and the bar ends ending up in your chest. [Dude. "Puncture holes in torsos?" Really? You do know that we're talking about bar-ends - and that 'bull-horns' don't actually mean sharp, pointy, horns.... You appear to be a person prone to falling on your handlebars. Maybe you should consider switching to XC to improve your skills (even though, you'd have to buy a XC bike to do that) - before returning to all-mountain... Wait. I've just read what you wrote again - did you actually slip on a wet bridge and impale your torso on your bar-ends? Hectic. No disrespect - but do you have photos? How deep were you impaled? And what does having bar-ends on your ride have anything to do with slipping on a wet bridge? And what, in the name of all that is holy, were you doing with bar-ends on your bike? ] 5) They look very silly, especially if you choose purple ones. [ok ok ok. Would you prefer pink? Maybe fuschia?] 6) Bar ends on risers only really look good if you have the matching 'BOY' or 'Tonto' metal plate style cap, to wear afterwards along with some really neat Buffalo raver boots and a t-shirt from Mr.Price or Billabong. [You appear to know wayyyyy more about the particular style required than is safe - I'll just leave this one as is....] 7) Bar ends on risers should only ever be used if you're the kind of person who can't take a joke, in which case, after the flaming you'll send my way for this, will let us know the status. [Oh touche. Velly velly clever Peter for dropping this little gem in here... Be that as it may, from the ribbing you suggest a rider would get for putting bar-ends on a riser bar - never mind purple horns - I'd suggest one would have to be pretty good at taking a joke... Unless one would simply decide to wave the fat-two-fingered-salute at the very ethereal b-sh*t surrounding our obsession, as initially suggested...] Oh, no, wait...you can have different hand positions if you use bar ends? ["Yes You CAN..."] Awesome, I've been dying to have my hands far from the brakes [Ok. Try sitting on them. ] Which bar ends would you recommend if get? [Try some black KCNC's... they're pretty sweet. And you'd be pleased to know - they face inwards rather sharply AND you could get them with PURPLE bolts! ] Btw, I have mid risers cut to 680mm. Will this look cool? [I really don't know dude. I'm not going to jump to assumptions with regards to what you, or your ride, do or don't look like. But you seem to have a very definitive idea of what's cool, and what's not - so rock on, boyTonto!] see ya'll, hahahaha [Ok, hahahahahaha]Oh, and one last thing - bustthesickness - in the name of all that is still sane, normal, and categorisable in this world, do not, under any circumstances, Google a Jeff Jones H-Bar. Because that man clearly has no clue what he's doing... Designing his own bikes. Riding trails/singeltrack with that bar on his bikes. Madness. Denialist madness, I tell you... hahaha, it's a hose that you wrote such an essay dude! LOL! I don't have the time to read all of this, but thanks for taking the time to say whatever it is you sed. I'm sure it's all packed with gems eh! laterzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Li Mu Bai Posted April 24, 2009 Share I'm with the crowd that reckons whatever floats your boat' date=' and is comfortable... If you're a die-hard XC rider, concerned about weightweenie issues and religiously pay heed to the platitudes of the Style-man, then NO - under NO circumstances, are you to bring a bar-end near to a riser bar... Since, in the eyes of many of such disciples, you're already too much of a pansy to suck it up and ride with a flat bar - why in the name of all that is holy would you want to place something designed to give you options on hand-positions (read 'options of comfort') on top of a [spit'] riser-bar that already gives you different options.... The insanity thereof.... If, on the other hand, you're of the group that raises the fat-two-fingered-salute to the ethereal b-sh*t that occasionally surrounds this wonderful obsession of ours - then do what you want. If bar-ends give you more hours in the saddle, then put 'em on - and blow bubbles in the general direction of those who sneer.... Purple bar-ends rock... How very sarcastic of you RodTi. Thank you. You're very sweet. Let me guess that you have bar ends on your riser bars? Uhhhm - nope. They looked reallllllllll fugly on my ride. Purple ones perhaps? Uhhhmm nope. But back in the day, purple bull-horns (not bar-ends) were the sizzle... But then, you might not agree with that... Oh wait - do I care? Here are a couple of reasons why you SHOULDNT have bar ends on your risers: [Can't wait.] 1) The angle of the riser bars is not straight like XC flat bars. [One point.] Typically riser bars angle upward and inward. [One point.] By putting bar ends onto your risers, you end up with bar ends sticking outwards like great big hooks to hook onto branches and newbies. [-2 points.] [Dude. Seriously. When was the last time you had a look at bar-ends? They don't point outwards - they are specifically designed to point inwards, or else, you'd "hook onto branches and newbies..." Their design used to be rather more hazardous - but again, that was back in the day - when trail/singletrack riding was less 'claustrophobic'. Of course, some say, that riding through a narrow trail with bar-ends, takes more skill....] Normally, riser bars are left wide. [1/2 point.] [Or, if you don't like them wide - you could cut them back (*gasp*)...] Usually, the are around 650mm and upwards. [Yes] This, believe it or not [Ripley], provides extra leverage when cornering in technical terrain, as well as extra balance when doing nice big airs and drop-offs. [Really? Yes? Altenatively: "well, doh".] Add to this now your [mine, yours, everybody] purple bar ends [or purple bull horns - see above] sticking out at an angle [see above], and you might end up with needing to cut the trails wider, or even build bridges that are 3 meters wide [Tokai?] so you and your bars can get through. But of course - where have you been? Surely, on your all-mountain sojourns, you must have bumped into those crazy purple bar-end/bull-horn fiends, carrying their battery-operated chainsaws back into the bush/trail/forest to go and cut-back on that pestilential trail that tried to rip their beloved purple bar-ends/horns off their trusty steeds??? This brings me to my second point... [oh goody! ] 2) Usually riser bars are put onto the relaxed angled all mountain type setup. [so putting them on XC rides is ok? Or only if done, 'un'-usually so?] Us all mountain riders [so you're an 'all mountain rider', huh? Wow. Awesome. Respect.] are not usually so hung up on bending the cranks up hills, with the need for so much extra leverage that these purple bar ends of yours so suitably supply. [so you assume, firstly, that I've got purple bar-ends/horns, secondly, that I'm not one of your all-mountain types, thirdly, that if I were, I wouldn't be hung up on climbing and lastly, even if I were - I wouldn't want extra leverage... Goodness - you must read minds... ]3) The kinds of folks who retro-fit all mountain type riser bars to a XC designed flat bar bike are in denial [Really? That's a pretty meaty statement. Would love to hear how you got to this conclusion], and secretly wish they'd bought a bike made for having fun, and not one made for having "minimum rolling resistance". [Whilst not wishing to speak on behalf of the "others" - here's a thought - maybe other people don't fit into your little neat categorisation of what mtb'ing is all about - maybe some people have 'fun' on a "minimum-rolling resistance" XC bike, doing stuff you all-mountain riders do... Maybe they do a bit of both, and don't see the need to have 2 bikes for 2 different styles of riding. I'd want to say it's pretty presumptious of you to suggest that a XC rider with a riser bar is clearly a denialist who wishes with all his heart he'd bought a 'fun' all-mountain bike so that he could thrash around with it - but then, maybe I'd come across as being sarcastic...]4) Bar ends on riser bars make quite nasty puncture holes in torsos and if they dont hook up on a branch, will leave you wishing you'd not done the Fairy trail when the bridge was wet, leading to you slipping and the bar ends ending up in your chest. [Dude. "Puncture holes in torsos?" Really? You do know that we're talking about bar-ends - and that 'bull-horns' don't actually mean sharp, pointy, horns.... You appear to be a person prone to falling on your handlebars. Maybe you should consider switching to XC to improve your skills (even though, you'd have to buy a XC bike to do that) - before returning to all-mountain... Wait. I've just read what you wrote again - did you actually slip on a wet bridge and impale your torso on your bar-ends? Hectic. No disrespect - but do you have photos? How deep were you impaled? And what does having bar-ends on your ride have anything to do with slipping on a wet bridge? And what, in the name of all that is holy, were you doing with bar-ends on your bike? ] 5) They look very silly, especially if you choose purple ones. [ok ok ok. Would you prefer pink? Maybe fuschia?] 6) Bar ends on risers only really look good if you have the matching 'BOY' or 'Tonto' metal plate style cap, to wear afterwards along with some really neat Buffalo raver boots and a t-shirt from Mr.Price or Billabong. [You appear to know wayyyyy more about the particular style required than is safe - I'll just leave this one as is....] 7) Bar ends on risers should only ever be used if you're the kind of person who can't take a joke, in which case, after the flaming you'll send my way for this, will let us know the status. [Oh touche. Velly velly clever Peter for dropping this little gem in here... Be that as it may, from the ribbing you suggest a rider would get for putting bar-ends on a riser bar - never mind purple horns - I'd suggest one would have to be pretty good at taking a joke... Unless one would simply decide to wave the fat-two-fingered-salute at the very ethereal b-sh*t surrounding our obsession, as initially suggested...] Oh, no, wait...you can have different hand positions if you use bar ends? ["Yes You CAN..."] Awesome, I've been dying to have my hands far from the brakes [Ok. Try sitting on them. ] Which bar ends would you recommend if get? [Try some black KCNC's... they're pretty sweet. And you'd be pleased to know - they face inwards rather sharply AND you could get them with PURPLE bolts! ] Btw, I have mid risers cut to 680mm. Will this look cool? [I really don't know dude. I'm not going to jump to assumptions with regards to what you, or your ride, do or don't look like. But you seem to have a very definitive idea of what's cool, and what's not - so rock on, boyTonto!] see ya'll, hahahaha [Ok, hahahahahaha]Oh, and one last thing - bustthesickness - in the name of all that is still sane, normal, and categorisable in this world, do not, under any circumstances, Google a Jeff Jones H-Bar. Because that man clearly has no clue what he's doing... Designing his own bikes. Riding trails/singeltrack with that bar on his bikes. Madness. Denialist madness, I tell you... hahaha, it's a hose that you wrote such an essay dude! LOL! I don't have the time to read all of this, but thanks for taking the time to say whatever it is you sed. I'm sure it's all packed with gems eh! laterzz How old are you Butt? you would be taken a little more seriously around here if you didn't waste people's time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustthesickness Posted April 24, 2009 Share I'm with the crowd that reckons whatever floats your boat' date=' and is comfortable... If you're a die-hard XC rider, concerned about weightweenie issues and religiously pay heed to the platitudes of the Style-man, then NO - under NO circumstances, are you to bring a bar-end near to a riser bar... Since, in the eyes of many of such disciples, you're already too much of a pansy to suck it up and ride with a flat bar - why in the name of all that is holy would you want to place something designed to give you options on hand-positions (read 'options of comfort') on top of a [spit'] riser-bar that already gives you different options.... The insanity thereof.... If, on the other hand, you're of the group that raises the fat-two-fingered-salute to the ethereal b-sh*t that occasionally surrounds this wonderful obsession of ours - then do what you want. If bar-ends give you more hours in the saddle, then put 'em on - and blow bubbles in the general direction of those who sneer.... Purple bar-ends rock... How very sarcastic of you RodTi. Thank you. You're very sweet. Let me guess that you have bar ends on your riser bars? Uhhhm - nope. They looked reallllllllll fugly on my ride. Purple ones perhaps? Uhhhmm nope. But back in the day, purple bull-horns (not bar-ends) were the sizzle... But then, you might not agree with that... Oh wait - do I care? Here are a couple of reasons why you SHOULDNT have bar ends on your risers: [Can't wait.] 1) The angle of the riser bars is not straight like XC flat bars. [One point.] Typically riser bars angle upward and inward. [One point.] By putting bar ends onto your risers, you end up with bar ends sticking outwards like great big hooks to hook onto branches and newbies. [-2 points.] [Dude. Seriously. When was the last time you had a look at bar-ends? They don't point outwards - they are specifically designed to point inwards, or else, you'd "hook onto branches and newbies..." Their design used to be rather more hazardous - but again, that was back in the day - when trail/singletrack riding was less 'claustrophobic'. Of course, some say, that riding through a narrow trail with bar-ends, takes more skill....] Normally, riser bars are left wide. [1/2 point.] [Or, if you don't like them wide - you could cut them back (*gasp*)...] Usually, the are around 650mm and upwards. [Yes] This, believe it or not [Ripley], provides extra leverage when cornering in technical terrain, as well as extra balance when doing nice big airs and drop-offs. [Really? Yes? Altenatively: "well, doh".] Add to this now your [mine, yours, everybody] purple bar ends [or purple bull horns - see above] sticking out at an angle [see above], and you might end up with needing to cut the trails wider, or even build bridges that are 3 meters wide [Tokai?] so you and your bars can get through. But of course - where have you been? Surely, on your all-mountain sojourns, you must have bumped into those crazy purple bar-end/bull-horn fiends, carrying their battery-operated chainsaws back into the bush/trail/forest to go and cut-back on that pestilential trail that tried to rip their beloved purple bar-ends/horns off their trusty steeds??? This brings me to my second point... [oh goody! ] 2) Usually riser bars are put onto the relaxed angled all mountain type setup. [so putting them on XC rides is ok? Or only if done, 'un'-usually so?] Us all mountain riders [so you're an 'all mountain rider', huh? Wow. Awesome. Respect.] are not usually so hung up on bending the cranks up hills, with the need for so much extra leverage that these purple bar ends of yours so suitably supply. [so you assume, firstly, that I've got purple bar-ends/horns, secondly, that I'm not one of your all-mountain types, thirdly, that if I were, I wouldn't be hung up on climbing and lastly, even if I were - I wouldn't want extra leverage... Goodness - you must read minds... ]3) The kinds of folks who retro-fit all mountain type riser bars to a XC designed flat bar bike are in denial [Really? That's a pretty meaty statement. Would love to hear how you got to this conclusion], and secretly wish they'd bought a bike made for having fun, and not one made for having "minimum rolling resistance". [Whilst not wishing to speak on behalf of the "others" - here's a thought - maybe other people don't fit into your little neat categorisation of what mtb'ing is all about - maybe some people have 'fun' on a "minimum-rolling resistance" XC bike, doing stuff you all-mountain riders do... Maybe they do a bit of both, and don't see the need to have 2 bikes for 2 different styles of riding. I'd want to say it's pretty presumptious of you to suggest that a XC rider with a riser bar is clearly a denialist who wishes with all his heart he'd bought a 'fun' all-mountain bike so that he could thrash around with it - but then, maybe I'd come across as being sarcastic...]4) Bar ends on riser bars make quite nasty puncture holes in torsos and if they dont hook up on a branch, will leave you wishing you'd not done the Fairy trail when the bridge was wet, leading to you slipping and the bar ends ending up in your chest. [Dude. "Puncture holes in torsos?" Really? You do know that we're talking about bar-ends - and that 'bull-horns' don't actually mean sharp, pointy, horns.... You appear to be a person prone to falling on your handlebars. Maybe you should consider switching to XC to improve your skills (even though, you'd have to buy a XC bike to do that) - before returning to all-mountain... Wait. I've just read what you wrote again - did you actually slip on a wet bridge and impale your torso on your bar-ends? Hectic. No disrespect - but do you have photos? How deep were you impaled? And what does having bar-ends on your ride have anything to do with slipping on a wet bridge? And what, in the name of all that is holy, were you doing with bar-ends on your bike? ] 5) They look very silly, especially if you choose purple ones. [ok ok ok. Would you prefer pink? Maybe fuschia?] 6) Bar ends on risers only really look good if you have the matching 'BOY' or 'Tonto' metal plate style cap, to wear afterwards along with some really neat Buffalo raver boots and a t-shirt from Mr.Price or Billabong. [You appear to know wayyyyy more about the particular style required than is safe - I'll just leave this one as is....] 7) Bar ends on risers should only ever be used if you're the kind of person who can't take a joke, in which case, after the flaming you'll send my way for this, will let us know the status. [Oh touche. Velly velly clever Peter for dropping this little gem in here... Be that as it may, from the ribbing you suggest a rider would get for putting bar-ends on a riser bar - never mind purple horns - I'd suggest one would have to be pretty good at taking a joke... Unless one would simply decide to wave the fat-two-fingered-salute at the very ethereal b-sh*t surrounding our obsession, as initially suggested...] Oh, no, wait...you can have different hand positions if you use bar ends? ["Yes You CAN..."] Awesome, I've been dying to have my hands far from the brakes [Ok. Try sitting on them. ] Which bar ends would you recommend if get? [Try some black KCNC's... they're pretty sweet. And you'd be pleased to know - they face inwards rather sharply AND you could get them with PURPLE bolts! ] Btw, I have mid risers cut to 680mm. Will this look cool? [I really don't know dude. I'm not going to jump to assumptions with regards to what you, or your ride, do or don't look like. But you seem to have a very definitive idea of what's cool, and what's not - so rock on, boyTonto!] see ya'll, hahahaha [Ok, hahahahahaha]Oh, and one last thing - bustthesickness - in the name of all that is still sane, normal, and categorisable in this world, do not, under any circumstances, Google a Jeff Jones H-Bar. Because that man clearly has no clue what he's doing... Designing his own bikes. Riding trails/singeltrack with that bar on his bikes. Madness. Denialist madness, I tell you... hahaha, it's a hose that you wrote such an essay dude! LOL! I don't have the time to read all of this, but thanks for taking the time to say whatever it is you sed. I'm sure it's all packed with gems eh! laterzz How old are you Butt? you would be taken a little more seriously around here if you didn't waste people's time. Hi Rude, please read option #7 for my 'Bar End Users'. What color are u'rs? I didnt know being all old and serious was such a drag.Anyways, you just called me Butt, so how old are you??...oh, and who said I want to be taken seriously? THIS WHOLE THREAD IS A JOKE, AND NOW SO ARE YOU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoLefty!! Posted April 25, 2009 Share I'm with the crowd that reckons whatever floats your boat' date=' and is comfortable... If you're a die-hard XC rider, concerned about weightweenie issues and religiously pay heed to the platitudes of the Style-man, then NO - under NO circumstances, are you to bring a bar-end near to a riser bar... Since, in the eyes of many of such disciples, you're already too much of a pansy to suck it up and ride with a flat bar - why in the name of all that is holy would you want to place something designed to give you options on hand-positions (read 'options of comfort') on top of a [spit'] riser-bar that already gives you different options.... The insanity thereof.... If, on the other hand, you're of the group that raises the fat-two-fingered-salute to the ethereal b-sh*t that occasionally surrounds this wonderful obsession of ours - then do what you want. If bar-ends give you more hours in the saddle, then put 'em on - and blow bubbles in the general direction of those who sneer.... Purple bar-ends rock... How very sarcastic of you RodTi. Let me guess that you have bar ends on your riser bars? Purple ones perhaps?Here are a couple of reasons why you SHOULDNT have bar ends on your risers:1) The angle of the riser bars is not straight like XC flat bars. Typically riser bars angle upward and inward. By putting bar ends onto your risers, you end up with bar ends sticking outwards like great big hooks to hook onto branches and newbies. Normally, riser bars are left wide. Usually, the are around 650mm and upwards. This, believe it or not, provides extra leverage when cornering in technical terrain, as well as extra balance when doing nice big airs and drop-offs. Add to this now your purple bar ends sticking out at an angle, and you might end up with needing to cut the trails wider, or even build bridges that are 3 meters wide so you and your bars can get through. This brings me to my second point...2) Usually riser bars are put onto the relaxed angled all mountain type setup. Us all mountain riders are not usually so hung up on bending the cranks up hills, with the need for so much extra leverage that these purple bar ends of yours so suitably supply.3) The kinds of folks who retro-fit all mountain type riser bars to a XC designed flat bar bike are in denial, and secretly wish they'd bought a bike made for having fun, and not one made for having "minimum rolling resistance".4) Bar ends on riser bars make quite nasty puncture holes in torsos and if they dont hook up on a branch, will leave you wishing you'd not done the Fairy trail when the bridge was wet, leading to you slipping and the bar ends ending up in your chest.5) They look very silly, especially if you choose purple ones.6) Bar ends on risers only really look good if you have the matching 'BOY' or 'Tonto' metal plate style cap, to wear afterwards along with some really neat Buffalo raver boots and a t-shirt from Mr.Price or Billabong.7) Bar ends on risers should only ever be used if you're the kind of person who can't take a joke, in which case, after the flaming you'll send my way for this, will let us know the status.Oh, no, wait...you can have different hand positions if you use bar ends? Awesome, I've been dying to have my hands far from the brakes. Which bar ends would you recommend if get? Btw, I have mid risers cut to 680mm. Will this look cool?see ya'll, hahahaha oh dear the great intellect strikes again. Dudes, use bar ends on risers if you like. Theres no fashion rules that prevent the use of bar ends. It's all about fit, comfort and personal preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nancy Drew Posted April 25, 2009 Share 6 pages and not one person has answered my question..... WTF's a riser bar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Agteros Posted April 25, 2009 Share It is a 'kinky' handlebar ... ermm one that is not straight.... or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nancy Drew Posted April 25, 2009 Share It is a 'kinky' handlebar ... ermmone that is not straight.... or not? a homosexual handlebar?!!!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Agteros Posted April 25, 2009 Share Non-discriminatory ... equal opportunities All bicycles are entitled to a rise - ermmm -r bar especially MTBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissVan Posted April 25, 2009 Share 6 pages and not one person has answered my question..... WTF's a riser bar? Nothing exciting....RISER BARhttp://www.google.co.uk/imagesq=tbn:P_JD_RXPKk9CjM::www.evanscycles.com/product_image/image/489/96d/034/26876/product_page/easton-ea50-riser-bar.jpgTHE OTHER BARhttp://www.google.co.uk/imagesq=tbn:6CnrfJvOvXMk6M::www.getprice.com.au/images/uploadimg/767/350__1_raceface-evolve-xc-flat-bar.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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