Big Business Lies Again

[DaLoCo]

The Toyota Prius being a case in point.

on Top Gear they drove a M3 behind a Prius around their track and at the end of the lap the M3 used less petrol then the Prius.

Top Gear is hardly objective journalism. Most of it manufactured to get the more interesting tv.

But I hear FanD' date=' when a green biscuit is flown from Russia it definately has a larger carbon footprint than a mass-produced environmentally wasteful cookie produced in boksburg. [/quote']

 

Green biscuits make you giggle, see double and turns your brains to mush

[skipperw]

bad analogy.

 

 

 

now i feel like a biscuit. dammit.

 

 

[DaLoCo]

bad analogy.

now i feel like a biscuit. dammit.

 

As long as it's not a green biscuit....or worse, a hybrid

[porky]

free range != green

 

 

 

 

the fact that most processes involved in producing a "green" product' date=' are more harmful to the environment than the normal product.

 

Yes, then end product might be greener, but the nett value of the whole equation (procuring goods, transporting them, assembling, packing) far outweighs the streamlined processes of brown products

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I know the argument Fan , I was just seeing where you were going.

 

Its a moot point I think, the argument that transport, diesel fuel, emmissions etc started with a spat between the cities of San Francisco and Houston - SF is very green and Houston isnt - Houston put up the argument that been green is expensive and defeatist due to transport, diesel fuel, gas emmissions, labour intensive etc - and this argument has sort of filtered down the ranks as a sort of "put down" to greenies.

 

It has its merit, but its only half a story, been green means no harmfull pesticides are used, no steroids to raise cattle faster which impacts on meat texture, flavour and taste and is harmfull to the animal, only fresh natural water is used, no rivers are diverted, no harmfull run offs into rivers and streams from by products of poisons, etc,etc........you are intelligent enough to know the story.

 

I think theres room for both, certainly in SA the general population (I wont say "Saffas" in case Da Loco gets worked up again ) probably can not afford free range or organic products on a regular basis due to the higher cost, but internationally its becoming more popular, people are getting involved and want to be part of the solution to global warming, climate changes, saving the planet, recycling, animal rights and so on - it all gos hand in hand really.

 

Now if Saffas   sorry, South Africans can just get more involved.!

 

[porky]

....' date=' read the magazine SA PIG FARMER (a pig farming trade magazine) if you want to know the levels it has increased to in certain enviroments.

  

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(To be said in best Borat accent)

 

I lika this Hub thiing

Learning somting new all days

 

Porky reads SA Pig Farmer magazine?

Is there a connection between that and your hub nick Porky?

 

  

 

Ha,Ha,Ha - Swiss, thats classic.!

 

Naa, no connection, but some of my clients are huge pig farmers, abbatoirs and related operators - I often read the magazine at their offices.

 

What Da Loco said about not been so farming intensive in SA is true, but costs on farmers are rising daily and they, like all of us end up cutting costs - sadly, this impacts on the animals and pigs seem to bear a huge portion of this brunt.!

 

[AndreZA]

...but some of my clients are?huge pig farmers...

 

 

 

what are they, big pigs that farm or do they farm big pigs?

[David #7]

So what came first, the free range chicken or the free range egg?

[AndreZA]

So what came first' date=' the free range chicken or the free range egg?[/quote']

 

 

 

 

 

[Slowbee]

rainbow chickens improved their bottom line by taking the chicken life span from and average of 37 days to 35 days.

 

when i was a student 45 days was the norm.

 

this is plain disgusting, especially when you see how the animals are treated.

 

free range chickens are the best

 

[Eldron]

Ah ye olde "green" argument...this little chestnut will forever be bunted around...

 

Personally I think it's a moot point - people being crooked in the first place caused the whole inject chicken with water to bost sales, give cows hormones to grow faster, cramp living conditions to reduce capital costs etc.

 

Now we expect the same people/industry to grow a conscience and start increasing their over heads, production costs, capital costs etc.

 

Not a chance in hell - REAL organic/green/free range products will only ever be niche products produced by passion rather than business sense and bought by greenies to ease their conscience (because mass produced stuff always tastes better thanks to the chemicals).

 

Ironically I eat organic eggs and vegetables - grown on my own property - it's the only way to ensure "organic" is actually organic and eliminate the nasty chemicals.

[AndreZA]

rainbow chickens improved their bottom line by taking the chicken life span from and average of 37 days to 35 days. when i was a student 45 days was the norm.this is plain disgusting' date=' especially when you see how the animals are treated.free range chickens are the best

 

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You mean "free range chickens were the best". You do not know what they taste like while they are still alive. Only after they have been killed and eaten can you personally experience the difference.

[Eldron]

rainbow chickens improved their bottom line by taking the chicken life span from and average of 37 days to 35 days. when i was a student 45 days was the norm.this is plain disgusting' date=' especially when you see how the animals are treated.free range chickens are the best
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You mean "free range chickens were the best". You do not know what they taste like while they are still alive. Only after they have been killed and eaten can you personally experience the difference.

 

Our food division sells chemicals for "plumping" chickens. Brine, phosphates and many other chemicals - their unofficial slogan is "no housewife can f*ck up our chicken" and they're right. The chicken is plump and juicy and soft and tender - better by a lightyear or six than the skinny free range stuff. Sad but true.