Drilling cable stops and frame warranty

[GoLefty!!]

and therein lies the rub. So if you replace a derailleur to upgrade and the a chainring breaks, there is no warranty.

 

Basically it s a clever get out of jail free card whilst appearing to provide a guarantee....

 

thats pretty scaly

 

[Mr Mulebar]

I think the best course of action is to buy a bike/frame that is made to run full cable outers and be done with it!

 

 

 

 

[Tumbleweed]

but somehow i don't see a manufacturer not replacing a frame because you changed a derailleur. just had a look at giant's warranty, and it's pretty much the same.

 

http://www.scribd.com/doc/12886868/Giant-Bicycle-Owners-Manual

[Piernas Flacas]

but somehow i don't see a manufacturer not replacing a frame because you changed a derailleur. just had a look at giant's warranty' date=' and it's pretty much the same.

 

http://www.scribd.com/doc/12886868/Giant-Bicycle-Owners-Manual

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I knew it! The moment I fitted that saddle bag I knew my warranty was going to be null and void. What the heck.... where's that drill now?....

[Tumbleweed]

but somehow i don't see a manufacturer not replacing a frame because you changed a derailleur. just had a look at giant's warranty' date=' and it's pretty much the same.

 

http://www.scribd.com/doc/12886868/Giant-Bicycle-Owners-Manual

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I knew it! The moment I fitted that saddle bag I knew my warranty was going to be null and void. What the heck.... where's that drill now?....

 

hope you read johan's "clutses" warning? 

[Johan Bornman]

I think you guys miss the subtlety of one of my points. I'll stay away from the pink analogies.

 

 

In spite of the guarantee that is given with the bike, it is unreasonable and unlawful for the guarantor to refuse a reasonable replacement when you have made a modification that has nothing to do with causing the problem.

 

 

[Tumbleweed]

I think you guys miss the subtlety of one of my points. I'll stay away from the pink analogies.

 

 

In spite of the guarantee that is given with the bike' date=' it is unreasonable and unlawful for the guarantor to refuse a reasonable replacement when you have made a modification that has nothing to do with causing the problem.

 

 

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no, just the absurdity of it.

[jugheaddave]

so, maybe i shouldn't drill/fill for now then?

[Johan Bornman]

I think you guys miss the subtlety of one of my points. I'll stay away from the pink analogies.

 

 

In spite of the guarantee that is given with the bike' date=' it is unreasonable and unlawful for the guarantor to refuse a reasonable replacement when you have made a modification that has nothing to do with causing the problem.

 

 

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no, just the absurdity of it.

 

OK, it is easy to call me a reckless idiot, but please point out which part is absurd.

 

Choose one or more. Add more if you want, but stay away from sweeping statements.

 

1) Some people rightfully want once-piece cable routing.

2) It is safe to file out the cable stops.

3) It is a fact that the SA law protects you against stupid loopholes in gaurantees.

 

 

 

[Tumbleweed]

I think you guys miss the subtlety of one of my points. I'll stay away from the pink analogies.

 

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In spite of the guarantee that is given with the bike' date=' it is unreasonable and unlawful for the guarantor to refuse a reasonable replacement when you have made a modification that has nothing to do with causing the problem.

 

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no, just the absurdity of it.

 

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OK, it is easy to call me a reckless idiot, but please point out which part is absurd.

 

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Choose one or more. Add more if you want, but stay away from sweeping statements.

 

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1) Some people rightfully want once-piece cable routing.

 

2) It is safe to file out the cable stops.

 

3) It is a fact that the SA law protects you against stupid loopholes in gaurantees.

 

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well, i never called you a "reckless idiot", but, hey, if you want to put those words into my mouth...

 

my point was that your point was anything but subtle. and why would it have been? seems you think the tech threads were for everyone except sissies and clutses (sic).

[Dirtbreath]

Love the friendly banter here.

 

Why are cables a multi coil helix? Is this just historical or are there other reasons? Would a single cable not be a better option? I would think a helix is not the ideal shape for this application given the sealing and bending.

 

I know there were some composite cables but dont think these went down well especially given their pricing.

 

How much tension does a gear cable need to stay true?

 

[jugheaddave]

I just wanted to run full outer from the rear shock area onwards.

[Johan Bornman]

Love the friendly banter here.

Why are cables a multi coil helix? Is this just historical or are there other reasons? Would a single cable not be a better option? I would think a helix is not the ideal shape for this application given the sealing and bending.

I know there were some composite cables but dont think these went down well especially given their pricing.

How much tension does a gear cable need to stay true?

 

Why? Cables need to be flexible and a single strand of wire with the same tensile strength as a wound cable is very rigid in comparison.

 

How come a cable is flexible and an equally-strong wire is not? As you bend the cable' date=' the individual strands move against each other. This is because the ones on the outside have to travel further than the ones on the inside of the bend. Were they all in a straight line, you'd see a disparity in length  at the end. However, by winding them in a helix they all get a chance to be on the outside and inside of the bend and end up exactly the same length when bent. There is one provisor for this and it is that the bend must not be tighter than the amplitude of the helix.

 

The way a cable is wound means it wont unravel when you pull on it. Unlike a Sunrise toffee that unravels itself, a cable wants to unravel and ravel (I'm sure Mr Speling [sic'] will correct my grammar and spelling here) at the same time and it therefore remains ravelled - if you get my drift.

 

If you have a lawnmover or vintage car, you'll be familiar with a single-strand cable. Those cars use them on their chokes or on the carburettor opening in the case of lawnmowers. Reason being that these cables have to push and pull, whereas bike cables only pull.

 

You are right about single-strand wires offering sealing but they're just too rigid for bicycle use. Helix cables bend better than any other material of similar tensile strength.

 

Composite cables? Composites, especially the aramid ones (Kevlar) are quite abrasive and I'd imagine them having too much stiction. By the time you've overcome that problem, you've introduced other problems, such as cost. Steel is fine, lets stick to it.

 

Bicycle cables have come a long way. Twenty years ago brake cables were rough. The cable strands themselves were galvanised steel which is very abrasive and, they moved in unlined steel housings. Horrible. Pull the brakes on any Rally kiddies bike and you'll know what I'm talking about.

 

 

[Johan Bornman]

well' date=' i never called you a "reckless idiot", but, hey, if you want to put those words into my mouth...
my point was that your point was anything but subtle. and why would it have been? seems you think the tech threads were for everyone except sissies and clutses (sic).[/quote']

 

So in summary then, you didn't like my analogy and therefore my whole argument was flawed and we should not alter our frames.

 

I am just a klutz, or as some would have it, a clutch (plate), but I do know that Internet protocol calls for overlooking minor spelling errors and typos that don't detract from the thread of argument or the overall understanding of the topic.

 

The OP wanted to know about the various aspects of one-piece cabling. So far you have only cluttered the thread and contributed nothing. Resist the urge to chip in when you have nothing to say.

 

 

Johan Bornman2009-06-24 09:10:35

[Johan Bornman]

I just wanted to run full outer from the rear shock area onwards.

 

What you want to do makes sense and there is now three ways of doing it.

 

1) Run the cable so that it completely bypasses the cable stops and secure it to the frame with cable ties. Drawbacks are rattles and frame scratching.

 

2) Use the BBB goodie to create what looks like nice cable anchors for through-cable. However, from what I can guauge here from my arm-chair, you'll still need to open up the holes in those cable guides. You'll need more than mere slots to get those bolts through.

 

3) File the grooves in your cable stops into holes using a needle file and route the cables through there.

 

 

 

[Tumbleweed]

well' date=' i never called you a "reckless idiot", but, hey, if you want to put those words into my mouth... my point was that your point was anything but subtle. and why would it have been? seems you think the tech threads were for everyone except sissies and clutses (sic).[/quote']

 

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So in summary then, you didn't like my analogy and therefore my whole argument was flawed and we should not alter our frames.

 

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I am just a klutz, or as some would have it, a clutch (plate), but I do know that Internet protocol calls for overlooking minor spelling errors and typos that don't detract from the thread of argument or the overall understanding of the topic.

 

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The OP wanted to know about the various aspects of one-piece cabling. So far you have only cluttered the thread and contributed nothing. Resist the urge to chip in when you have nothing to say.

 

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actually his initial question was about voiding his guarantee, and the very flawed analogy you used to say why it wouldn't had to be called into question, as a number of hubbers have also pointed out. just because you don't agree with it, doesn't mean it's wrong. to respond to my original post as a typical example of the "eternal pessimist" shows a lack of ability to engage when you are queried.

 

 

 

clutter? i pointed out your spelling error in five characters - (sic) - yet you contribute an entire paragraph to it. what has that contributed to the thread? stop it. you're making yourself look pathetic.holy roller2009-06-24 19:14:26