Let's talk On-one Inbred! Kiwi?

[Hog_]

I've lusting for an All-Mountain longer travel frame for a while, and I've always had a thing for steel frames. It also looks like August will be a very good month, so I should reward myself. Enter the On-One Inbred 456.

 

Would it be a worthwhile upgrade from the 'Goose? My thinking is to build it over as is, maybe with a new crankset. Then later on get a nice wheelset to complete the bike.

 

So what can I expect from this frame? What is the difference between the Summer edition and the normal one? Also, what size should I got for? The 'Goose is a Medium, 17". The Inbred comes in 16" and 18". I'm tempted to go for for the smaller frame for chuckability.

 

Thoughts? Ideas? Advice? Does anyone have one of these?

 

 

 

[Mackie]

While you at it buy those white A2Z hubs from The Crow and lace them to White ZTR355 rims, they would look siiick deluxe. They are a bargain worth buying to keep, you can build a custom bike that gonna look the dogs bollocks, on a budget. Well done on having a good month in your own business in these tough times! Frame looks sweet.

[Hog_]

 

While you at it buy those white A2Z hubs from The Crow and lace them to White ZTR355 rims' date=' they would look siiick deluxe. They are a bargain worth buying to keep, you can build a custom bike that gonna look the dogs bollocks, on a budget. Well done on having a good month in your own business in these tough times! Frame looks sweet.

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As nice as those hubs are, I've got a thing for Hope Pro II's. I'll get myself a nice set of Pro II's with Halo rims in a month or 2 from CRC.

 

 

 

 

 

[Hog_]

Anyone have ideas on running a double chain ring + bash guard + 9 speed casette. What ratios would you choose to get a similar range to a standard 3x9 setup?

 

 

 

[droo]

On the Inbred - I don't have one yet. It's on my wish list, I've heard they rock. The summer season is just an unpainted frame AFAIK.

 

 

 

On the 2 x 9 - the SLX double is a 22/36, which works out to a top gear of about 42 x 13. If you want a longer top end, maybe 24/38 and 11-34 would do it.

 

 

 

Basically, if you fit a Vanilla 130, it sounds like you're building my HT play bike for me. Very kind of you. I'll send you my address so you can send it to me when you're done

[Flowta]

 

On the Inbred - I don't have one yet. It's on my wish list' date=' I've heard they rock. The summer season is just an unpainted frame AFAIK.

 

 

 

On the 2 x 9 - the SLX double is a 22/36, which works out to a top gear of about 42 x 13. If you want a longer top end, maybe 24/38 and 11-34 would do it.

 

 

 

Basically, if you fit a Vanilla 130, it sounds like you're building my HT play bike for me. Very kind of you. I'll send you my address so you can send it to me when you're done [/quote']

 

The Summer Season has a Slacker head angle.

 

http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.za/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=ON%20ONE%20456%20SUMMER%20SEASON

 

[markStockton]

 

Anyone have ideas on running a double chain ring + bash guard + 9 speed casette. What ratios would you choose to get a similar range to a standard 3x9 setup?

 

 

 

 

Works like a treat with a 29 and 44 chain blade and a 11 - 34 cassette.

 

Oh, good luck finding that kit at a decent price. You better off buying the XT crank on special at CRC.

 

[Kiwi]

Like Flowta says the Summer Season version has a slacker head angle (by 2 degrees). Also it uses plain gauge tubing rather than butted like the standard 456 Inbred. The idea with the slacker head angle is better control of the front end when you use 5 or 6 inch travel forks underbreaking/cornering as the geometry will not steepen up so much as to make steering skittish. We have more 18" Summer Season and 16" and 18" 456 Inbreds on their way to us right now - we had quiet a delay on them. Also coming at long last are the Inbred 29er frames. Oh and matching Inbred Man saddles as well!

Kiwi2009-08-06 05:17:41

[Thug]

Hog, on my Scandal, I'm running a 2x9 (26/36) with an 11-32 cassette. The advantage of this combination is that there isn't 1 single gear duplicated, whereas with the 11-34, there were a couple.

 

Have a look at Sheldon Brown's website for a gear ratio calculator.

 

[Hog_]

Thanks Kiwi, Thug.

 

It's a tough one, deciding between the Summer and the standard model. I doubt I'll ever run more than 130mm, so maybe the standard model will be better for me. The Summer model looks nicer though!

 

I'll see if I can measure my inseam to help decide between the 16" and 18" model, since that may make my mind up for me.

 

 

The idea with the bike will be to transplant the 'Goose components over, then upgrade it over time. I've got in mind an SLX chain set and Hope Pro II/Halo Combat wheels, maybe a RS fork much later on. I think it'll be an AWESOME money pit!

 

 

 

[Hog_]

Looking at the pictures it looks like the d?railleur hanger is not removable? What happens when you destroy it?

 

 

[Kiwi]

Hi Hog,

 

Yes the RD hanger is fixed. If it is destroyed (it would take a real big one to do that!) it would have to get sorted out at a frame builder/repairer. Because the frame is plain gauge chromo that wouldn't be a difficult job. I would say they did it that way either to keep the price down or get a better gear change with a stiffer RD mount.

 

 

[Hog_]

Okay, good to know. Not that I go through hangers anyway, but just interested.

 

 

 

[MoreTrails]

 

Like Flowta says the Summer Season version has a slacker head angle (by 2 degrees). Also it uses plain gauge tubing rather than butted like the standard 456 Inbred. The idea with the slacker head angle is better control of the front end when you use 5 or 6 inch travel forks underbreaking/cornering as the geometry will not steepen up so much as to make steering skittish. We have more 18" Summer Season and 16" and 18" 456 Inbreds on their way to us right now - we had quiet a delay on them. Also coming at long last are the Inbred 29er frames. Oh and matching Inbred Man saddles as well!

 

Kiwi, as BOLDED above - how is the tubing going to ride quality of the ride? Are you going to get a stiffer ride from the plain gauge tubes? Is it going to be a stronger frameset?

Alternatively is the butted tube frame going to be more compliant with regards to trail buzz, giving a more sublime "steel hardtail" ride?

Or does the difference in tubeset purely boil down to one frame being lighter than the other...

If you were building a hard hitter, which one would you choose to thrash?

I am 1.78m - how does sizing look? 18" for a good old trail bike that can be ridden all day but still thrown around a DH course on the way home?

Shot dot

 

[Hog_]

There's a very comprehensive page on the On One website about sizing. I measured my inseam and my height, and looked it up on their table, as well as read what everyone else uses (also on the site), I could go for a 16" or 18". I'm 1,74m.

 

As far as I understand the Summer Season is a bit heavier, but it's built to last.

 

 

[Kiwi]

Like Flowta says the Summer Season version has a slacker head angle (by 2 degrees). Also it uses plain gauge tubing rather than butted like the standard 456 Inbred. The idea with the slacker head angle is better control of the front end when you use 5 or 6 inch travel forks underbreaking/cornering as the geometry will not steepen up so much as to make steering skittish. We have more 18" Summer Season and 16" and 18" 456 Inbreds on their way to us right now - we had quiet a delay on them. Also coming at long last are the Inbred 29er frames. Oh and matching Inbred Man saddles as well!

Kiwi' date=' as BOLDED above - how is the tubing going to ride quality of the ride? Are you going to get a stiffer ride from the plain gauge tubes? Is it going to be a stronger frameset?
Alternatively is the butted tube frame going to be more compliant with regards to trail buzz, giving a more sublime "steel hardtail" ride?
Or does the difference in tubeset purely boil down to one frame being lighter than the other...
If you were building a hard hitter, which one would you choose to thrash?
I am 1.78m - how does sizing look? 18" for a good old trail bike that can be ridden all day but still thrown around a DH course on the way home?
Shot dot
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Hi More Trails,
 
The Summer Season is definitely the heavy hitter frame. When the tubes are butted material is removed from areas where the stress is low and it won't affect performance. The main reason that the Summer Season doesn't have butting was for occasions like if you endo and the bars whack the frame, that point is usually where butting has occurred and so the tube is unlikely to get a ding in it.
 
Both frames still have that "steel is real" feeling.
 
Summer Season or Std 456? Thread on MBR.COM http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=501275
 
If you search on MBR.COM for On One frames there is heaps of feed back threads from guys all over the world to give you some ideas.

 

I think "good old trail bike that can be ridden all day but still thrown around a DH course on the way home?" sums the Summer Season pretty well.