PPA and day licences

[Ox_Wagon]

Yip' date=' it is cycling tax!  <?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

 

In the same way that we will have to start paying Health tax.....  Money for nothing!

 

But the really shocking news to me is that the kapies still have MTB races that cost less than R100!

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Bulldogs on sat cost R80, goodie bag with TShirt, ride mag and energy bar, medal and plenty of coke and bottle of flavoured water at the end.

 

Sounds good, what race is that (info)?

[Rob22]

 

This fee does increase from R30 to R35 for 2010 and all this money is paid to CSA and not the organisers. Also have no idea what value I get for this????<?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

[chuky]

 

just seen on ppa site

 

Recreational: R20.00 (multidisciplinary) For PPA members, these

allow you to partake in funrides. These fees are paid by the

Association or club for 2008 and no further payments are required. No

license card is issued; use your PPA or club membership number if asked.

 

So CSA charge you more for a day license than a recreational? again someone please point out to what i get for that? and again i say, this is just a money making scheme for CSA to get a slice of the pie for doing nothing and rip the social rider a new one

 

this is BS that we just have to pay everyone for nothing.

 

@bospaadji, sorry as i said in the last post, race organisers are not to blame here nor is PPA seems people to point to is CSA

 

 

chuky2009-09-07 07:02:20

[Napalm]

 

Correction' date=' I think the day licence fee went up to R35 (as seen on Argus booking site).

 

What a rip off!!   you do the math 30 000 riders x R35 - 00 =  WTF??

For what??

 

I would not mind paying the R30 recreatiopnal rider fee as a once off (mentioned in previous post....) Can you give me more details as to wheer I can do this?

 

Cycling is just becomming another cash cow that can be milked till it is dry!!

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If you have a license you don't pay a day fee.  So if you're planning on racing more than 4 times a year, simply get a license.

 

[daggavis]

Correction' date=' I think the day licence fee went up to R35 (as seen on Argus booking site).

 

What a rip off!!   you do the math 30 000 riders x R35 - 00 =  WTF??

For what??

 

I would not mind paying the R30 recreatiopnal rider fee as a once off (mentioned in previous post....) Can you give me more details as to wheer I can do this?

 

Cycling is just becomming another cash cow that can be milked till it is dry!!

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If you have a license you don't pay a day fee.  So if you're planning on racing more than 4 times a year, simply get a license.

 

Join Club ROAG. Virtual club no membership fees. Cyclosport licence in total works out to R150 p.a. which you'll recover in 4.28 races.

[porky]

Correction' date=' I think the day licence fee went up to R35 (as seen on Argus booking site).

 

What a rip off!!   you do the math 30 000 riders x R35 - 00 =  WTF??

For what??

 

I would not mind paying the R30 recreatiopnal rider fee as a once off (mentioned in previous post....) Can you give me more details as to wheer I can do this?

 

Cycling is just becomming another cash cow that can be milked till it is dry!!

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If you have a license you don't pay a day fee.  So if you're planning on racing more than 4 times a year, simply get a license.

 

I hear you. But thats skirting the issue, as we still dont know "what" if anything we get for the fee.?

 

 

[mikkelz]

Has anybody emailed/contacted the PPA or CSA to ask what the fee is for?

[porky]

Has anybody emailed/contacted the PPA or CSA to ask what the fee is for?

 

No need, Mr Latrinus Emmer the COO of CSA frequents this board, he could comment, if he feels like it.

 

[Brighter-Lights]

Very touchy topic... and glad to see others with the same viewpoint. <?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

 

I don't mind paying for something if I actually get something for my money.

 

I can't speak for CSA's road cycling involvement, but in MTB, in my province for instance their involvement is zero.

 

I know of enough anti-CSA people to start a whole new organization.

 

What is CSA gonna do if we start our own new clubs, and organize races like WE want to do it and utilize the money like WE want to?  They gonna stop <?: prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />USon>?

 

I recently did a race which had just over a 100 entrants and was a charity event. After the race, I met the organizers and we got to the money issue and talked about how much the charity actually gets out of the race. Then the topic of CSA arose and they told me what CSA enforced on them as organizers... fees etc. etc.

 

In the end... CSA did not send an official or anybody to the race, they didn't contact anyone, they didn't have a banner up, they took the money, and they forced the organizers to do things CSA's way and the charity got almost nothing out of it...

 

2009 was the 10th anniversary of this race... it's clearly stood the test of time without CSA...

 

In another race, I had to 'give' 10% of my prize money back to the organizers, collecting on behalf of CSA!!!! So they advertise a race with R15 000 or whatever prize money for the win, but none of the riders actually get the prize money advertised... or did this organizer pay his CSA 'fees' by subtracting from the winner's prize money?  

 

I am registered with CSA.... I only register to start in the front group in K2C...

 

Will I register in 2010? I'm not sure, because we might decide to completely stay away from the races we normally do and start organizing our own series of events. We've got enough support to seriously consider doing this. Will we exclude registered CSA riders from our events..? NO.. we won't - because our idea is to give back what you payed for...   

 

CSA is an anonymous invisible organization when it comes to mountain biking in the Eastern Cape...

 

It?s time for a revolution? like I said? I don?t mind paying for something if I can see what I?m actually buying?

Brighter-Lights2009-09-07 11:59:30

[chuky]

Thanks Brighter-Lights, seems im not alone here, and yes seems that people are avoiding the issue here "what am i paying for". I read the CSA site and seems their focus is on competition and i can see that, they set the rules, guild lines ect ect ect and the fact they don't send a rep to events to enforce those is a whole other can of worms.

 

My fight is that me as a social rider that doesn't care or want to be timed, seeded or anything alone those lines still has to pay.

 

Some people were comparing this to tax, this is not tax, I pay tax so the government can run the country. I get something (or should get something) for my tax, this is not a tax, this is honestly the cycling mafia wanting more pie

 

[Gasping]

This does seem like a bit of extortion ala Mafia style. If CSA does bugger-all then what they should get should be commensurate with effort/input.

 

The entire SA sporting scene is just as bad. Governing bodies and officials of any sporting code should be there to serve the sport and not get the sport to serve them.

 

I heard the chairman (I think it was him) on 702 yesterday morning appealing for witnesses to a tandem bike being hit by a Hyundai. Well and good. I have heard precious little from them anywhere else.

 

Where is the campaigning for cyclist's rights to use the road as equals to cars? Where are they when cyclists do not obey the rules of the road.

 

Please tell me what my money gets me. If it is only the privilege to ride in a race, then why am I going to enter any of these races?

[Christopher Brunsdon]

Must say that I only got my PPA so that I check my timing for MTB Challenge (Stellies). What is a rip is that they only disclose your timing (timing chip) if your a paid member.

 

For me the R300 (or whatever it was) that I paid to PPA is not a lot of money, its just like everyone else: What do MTBers get out it?

 

If I was a roadie then I would have no reason to complain.

 

[Guest coenie]

Must say that I only got my PPA so that I check my timing for MTB Challenge (Stellies). What is a rip is that they only disclose your timing (timing chip) if your a paid member.For me the R300 (or whatever it was) that I paid to PPA is not a lot of money' date=' its just like everyone else: What do MTBers get out it?If I was a roadie then I would have no reason to complain.

 

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Have you ever tried and voice your ideas to PPA? I recently called them to complain about the website problems, and that at the time the only place to re-enter or get more info on wrt races was racetec and their website was also giving problems.

 

 

 

I also told them about the fact that they had left a moutainbike race very early as most of the riders completed the course way after cutoff.

 

 

 

I asked them why I pay PPA as they were not exactly looking after me.

 

 

 

The response was, well we do not look after the racetec website and we do not do the timing at the races..."What do they do then"?

 

 

 

"If you no longer want to be a member we would give you your money back as we have enough people who are still members"

 

 

 

Basically we don't care about one member as long as we have enough others.

[Napalm]

 

Brighter-Lights,

 

If the CSA MTB Commissioner does f***all in your province, don't re-elect him.

 

As for the charity thing..... the day license fee has been levied for yonks, so unless it was the organisers' first event it shouldn't really come as a surprise.

 

Paying back prize money? Again... the organisers know they're responsible for paying day licenses to CSA - so if they're collecting a portion of your prize money to pay "for the CSA" I have a nagging suspision that the organiser pocketed the money, never to be seen by the CSA.

 

A rival organisation is a noble idea, but the reality is that for better or worse, CSA is the official body recognised by the Olympic Committee.  Get rid of the lazy bastards in your provinces and get people in who can do the job properly.

 

[jeeptrack]

The CSA levy is very simple - they target funriders to generate funds that are supposed to be used to improve competetive cycling in SA, altough there is no sign of this happening.  Funriders are not on the agenda of the CSA and will never be.  It is even worse if you are a MTB rider that only do the funrides as about 99% of all MTB riders do - you just get ripped without anything in return.  The only way as a MTB rider to keep most of  your money away from CSA and "donate" it to a worthwhile cause is to join a MTB club that is involved in developing and mantaining trails - at least your money is used to improve facilities and in return you do not have to pay the R30 CSA levy if you want to do a funride (just make sure that the club is affiliated to CSA - yes, CSA will still get their hands on some of your money, but that will be indirectly via the club.) There is also no need to join the PPA if you are a club member.  

[Gasping]

Ah! The esteemed Olympic Committee that had Sam Ramsamy (sic) as the chair of the SA Chapter.

 

There is a great selling point. The same Olympic Committee that decided not to send the men's hockey team over because they did not stand a chance in their opinion.

 

Chops. Pork, lamb and goat.