jcvwburger Posted December 13, 2010 Share hi guys, i've been pondering about these chinese carbon frames some okes are importing...reel keen on one seeing the price is not to bad,, any advice will be a moerse help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swoosh1973 Posted December 13, 2010 Share If they have guerntees then go for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcvwburger Posted December 13, 2010 Share 2 years warantee... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big H Posted December 13, 2010 Share Is the instruction manual in English, Translated English/Chinese or Chinese????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Break Posted December 13, 2010 Share In a nutshell, you get many different type of carbon fibre ranging from cheap (generally bad) to expensive (generally good). You also get design engineers that know how to design with carbon and those that do not not. You also get manufacturers who are good at working with carbon fibre and those that are bad at working with carbon fibre. When you put these three factors together you get 8 effective classes of carbon parts: Bad designs which are badly manufactured using bad materials.Bad designs which are well manufactured using bad materialsBad designs which are badly manufactured using good materialsBad designs which are well manufactured using good materialsGood design which are badly manufactured using bad materials.Good designs which are well manufactured using bad materialsGood designs which are badly manufactured using good materialsGood designs which are well manufactured using good materials So, you basically can see that there is only one effective class which you may want to try and stick to. Personally, I try and stick to buying parts that are proven in the field. I.e. I see them being used extensively by others with good reviews and even tests. Personally I buy parts that I can afford and that are very well proven on the same level as which I wish to use them or higher. I would only suggest purchasing carbon parts which have very little positively known field experience if you are willing to take the chance with your money should they fail. And hopefully not fail and cause injury. Good and safe designs are always backed up with a proper design procedures and testing. Unless you can find proof that this has taken place stay away from them. Engineers study for many years to understand what needs to be done to design parts that will function correctly. Be careful of marketing BS as well. Such as, did you know that this frame is made in the same factory as the ..... (some great make is mentioned). The factory does not depict how good a design is. Take for instance the Citi Golf, it was manufactured in the same factory as the Golf 5 GTi for some years, however the design was 30+ years old and a far cry from the GTi with all the safety features, etc. Hope this gives you a small insight. Edited December 13, 2010 by The_Break Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcvwburger Posted December 13, 2010 Share I looked at a couple, black spade, and cyclebuzz, but still need to decide, maybe just stick to alloy..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakkals. Posted December 13, 2010 Share Saw a chinese Dogma today, going for 7k. cant see the difference but im sure it wont be able to take the pressure from the big guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Break Posted December 13, 2010 Share I looked at a couple, black spade, and cyclebuzz, but still need to decide, maybe just stick to alloy..... Like I said, try and find out if they have good field experience and who designed them. Maybe they are well known and used in other countries to good effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Break Posted December 13, 2010 Share Saw a chinese Dogma today, going for 7k. cant see the difference but im sure it wont be able to take the pressure from the big guys. I thought those would get eaten in China? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcvwburger Posted December 13, 2010 Share Will try and get that info, dont wana spend 5K and snap over a rock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcvwburger Posted December 14, 2010 Share If anyone did buy one of these frames i would love some feedback! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pastapouch Posted December 14, 2010 Share think you're gonna plain cardboard from those lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcvwburger Posted December 14, 2010 Share Ok check, no water crossings then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dts29 Posted December 14, 2010 Share chat to brighterlights, I know he's got one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankman Posted December 14, 2010 Share Saw a chinese Dogma today, going for 7k. cant see the difference but im sure it wont be able to take the pressure from the big guys. I will test it for you. Did you take any snaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankman Posted December 14, 2010 Share Did you take any snaps? ... I meant photos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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