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Why silly ? There is many health reasons to be thinner, and many more to eat less carbohydrates. You eat to what your friends think ?

Cut more of the fruit, pasta, rice, potato and bread, and you could weigh 72 kg's ! Calculate what that weight saving in cycling equipment would cost ...

The "small" portions of fruit is the key word here ... I also eat small portions of mostly strawberries and other berries.

Good point. Of course most of his weight loss could have been mostly water, as there are 2 molecules water binded to every fat molecule.

Believe me, I am reading all the time. I have a wife and dietician friends I have to convince ! Show me an article that proves that fructose is needed and good for you !

Sucrose is half glucose and half fructose. ... with the added fructose that we don't need.

Andy, do yourself a favour, read that last pdf document I posted earlier in the list of books to read. Then talk to me again.

Fibre does not get broken down, it just passes through the digestive system.

the only thing making fruit "better" (and I dont really even want to use that word) than the juice , is the fact that they add even more sugar to the juice ! the sugar in fruit is released pretty quickly, enough to spike your BG levels fast.

Another one that has not read the complete thread or the research and literature.

Sorry to pop your bubble, but the fructose in fruit is not "trapped" by the fibre at all.

Another good resource : http://www.grc.com/health/lowcarb.htm BTW, my father just had his cholesterol levels checked and it came back the lowest ever since he was diagnosed with high cholesterol many years ago. He has been on statins all these years but cutting out all sugar the last few weeks made this huge improvement.

Nice interview with the experts :

1) agreed 2) I did not say that. I said Fructose is bad and that there is a lot of that in fruit. Agree with your last paragraph, but I would add too much fruit and fruit juices to that list as well.

...which is in the range of 5 - 8 mMol or 90 - 145 this is still way too high. Currently (i just tested) I am 4.6 and in the morning when I wake up it is around 4 or even 3.5- 3.8 if I had a good training ride the previous afternoon.

Just for interest sake, what do you regard as "normal" BG (blood glucose) levels ?

I dont see a lot of "interpretation" in being overweight or obsese. BMI calculations do a very good job of that. As for the others, only you know the truth. I forgot to mention erectile dysfunction as "one of the signs" as well. No interpretation needed there as well. I continue to do more research and read every day on this subject. Still did not prevent me from experimenting for 2 months now. Had no negatives so far, in fact, just the opposite in many instances.

...which started with the invention of agriculture. It isn't just HFC syrup that is the problem. There is lots of Fructose in fruit as well. Eat too much, and you have the same problem. Agriculture made the availability of fruit plentifull .

Andy, being "lean" does not equate being healthy. Half of all people dying from heart disease are not fat ! Thus being lean, does not mean you are necessarily carb tolerant. Myself was always being classified as lean and "healthy", although I had high cholesterol and exercised regularly. I have said the degrees of carb tolerance varies between people, and also with your age. Two big degrees of freedom there to allow for a wide variety. However, the science seem to indicate that humans all have a degree of intolerance, the manifestation of this might just be hidden or the signs and degree not the same in every one. See this article and research on children of 5 years old : Children as young as five are suffering heart damage caused by obesity, a study has found. Their blood pressure is 40 per cent higher than that of healthy youngsters and they have up to nine times more cholesterol in their blood. Oxford academics warn that even at this age, their arteries have become lined with fatty deposits so their hearts have to work harder to pump blood. A study of nearly 50,000 five to 15-year-olds found the hearts of obese children were enlarged compared with those of youngsters who were a healthy weight. And the blood pressure and cholesterol of some was already so high that unless they change their lifestyles, they could be 40 per cent more likely to die from a heart attack or stroke in adulthood. Read more: http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz2A15nDDWZ Also autopsies done on dead american soldiers during the vietnam war found signs of atheroschlerosis in the veins of 18 - 20 year young boys, but none in the veins of the vietnamese. The evidence is out there. People just chose to ignore it.

Another good read on nutritional ketosis, or being in a keto adapted state. This guy has been living a low carb diet for a long time without being keto adapted, and only recently started the experiment to being fully in a state of ketosis. http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/jimmy-moores-n1-experiments-nutritional-ketosis-day-91-120/15560

Being carb resistant and carb sensitive is basically the same thing. It means your body is not as efficient anymore in making use of carbohydrates. It's applicable to all humans, since childhood, although the signs might not be as pronounced in early life or all people. With age, or really excess carb / sugar intakes, the signs begin to emerge and worsen. Signs are overweight, obesity, high fasting blood sugar levels, 2 hour after meal BG levels, continuous cravings, high and low energy level swings, ales, losing eyesight, memory loss , etc

http://www.amazon.com/Art-Science-Low-Carbohydrate-Living/dp/0983490708/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1350822912&sr=1-1&keywords=the+art+and+science+of+low+carbohydrate+living http://www.amazon.com/Art-Science-Low-Carbohydrate-Performance/dp/0983490716/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1350822912&sr=1-2&keywords=the+art+and+science+of+low+carbohydrate+living http://www.amazon.com/New-Atkins-You-Ultimate-Shedding/dp/1439190275/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1350822912&sr=1-4&keywords=the+art+and+science+of+low+carbohydrate+living http://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Get-Fat-About/dp/0307474259/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1350822912&sr=1-5&keywords=the+art+and+science+of+low+carbohydrate+living http://www.amazon.com/Good-Calories-Bad-Controversial-Science/dp/1400033462/ref=sr_1_10?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1350822912&sr=1-10&keywords=the+art+and+science+of+low+carbohydrate+living http://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/ExpertInterviewTranscripts/DrRichardJohnsonAboutTheFatSwitch.pdf

Good to hear. I actually have not read Prof Noakes book, but a lot of others' in the world who is way more ahead than prof Noakes on this.

Andy, I am a small framed guy. I weighed 66/67 kg in matric. That was 22 years ago. I am now 40. 5 years ago I sold my small business which forced me in a sedentary lifestyle which took me to 80 kg. I started cycling about 3 years ago and within 12/18 months I was back to 72kg. For the last 2 years I couldn't get it lower, no matter how much I trained. I quickly became weak after too much training, probably because of muscle breakdown, etc, I don't really know. The theory is that your body metabolism slows down with more training volume and you compensate by eating more, mostly in the form of empty carbohydrates, which mostly gets stored as fat. (Read the whole science about that and the fat switch etc) The bottom line, since I started on this diet about 2 months ago, I have lost 3.5 kg, from 72kg to 68.5 kg. I aim to get back to my matric weight with very little body fat . I am cycling faster than ever, on heavier training wheels. I am less out of breath on my normal training climbs and my avg heart rate is way down. Now you can say that is because I have lost weight, and you migth be partly right, but it is also in the maths. Burning fat for energy, and your body being adapted and optimised for burning fat as energy source, is more oxygen efficient than burning glucose for fuel. That explains my less out of breathness. I also play regular tennis with my kids, and I can go easily a day without food if needs be. So if this diet / lifestyle helps me achieve these benefits, whats wrong with that? And I have not even started on all the other health benefits of low-Carb living, like better eyesight, curing impotency (not that I had problems !), less inflamation, lower and better quality cholesterol, lower risk of heart disease, etc, etc The list is long.

Where do you get this 50 % from ? Anyway, keep on questioning, as long as you are open to new ideas and reasoning.