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Especially his conclusion, "No, the problem has to be something else. "

Convenient that he dont want to cite the studies ? <p>With higher carb consumption, higher total calories normally is associated too. More important would be the amount of PUFA's ingested in such diets as well as the amount of carbs ingested in the form of starche

all types, but mostly natural and fruit. Interestingly they found the coke made in mexico (from sugar instead of HFCS) to be less fattening than in the US Too much starch can also cause problems, but sugar is not so bad if you are metabolicly healthy.

Ray Peat likes chocolate and ice cream too, but not yoghurt as it contains too much lactic acid. Instead of the artificial sweetners, why not add natural sugar instead ? Vanilla essence is known to have anti-oxidant effects.

Don't know what gave you the idea that I push "alot" of sugar and how much that actually is, since that would depend on the individual and the other components of his diet, his hormonal profile and metabolic health. If you eat too much PUFA's and/or have hormonal imbalances, even small amounts of sugar (or too much protein) can cause troubles ito high BG levels, obesity etc. That does not mean that sugar is bad though. PUFA's block the efficient oxidation of glucose in the cells by the mitochondria.

No cause and no cure is certainly an interesting viewpoint ... Losing a considerable amount of weight will leave you feeling good and perform better in sport. Having a very low carb diet (ketogenic) means you are living on adrenaline and other stress hormones. In the long run this is detrimental to your health and comes at a cost How long this takes depends from person to person. It is known that high volume endurance athletes tend to have low fertility ...

Avoid as much PUFA's in your diet as possible. Avoid as much stress as possible. This includes diets that cause stress like ketogenic diets and VLC diets. Dont do too much aerobic exercise ! Avoid estrogenic foods and substances. Eat more salt and calcium. Get your metabolism up by doing the above things and eating more fruit and sugar. Supplementing with Thyroid hormone if all above does not help upping your metabolism.

I certainly would recommend wider reading on the topic as well ! Making blanket statements about PUFA's (including Omega 3 ) so called health benefits , ( or the toxicity of sugar ), may be damaging to some and even be deathly to some ... Start reading here, http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/fishoil.shtml http://raypeat.com/articles/nutrition/oils-in-context.shtml Pay especially attention to the list of more than 80 scientific references below the detailed articles. Also note that these articles was not written by a sponsored "scientist" ... An oil researcher[0] spent 100 days eating what he considered to be the "Eskimo diet," seal blubber and mackerel paste. He observed that his blood lipid peroxides (measured as malondialdehyde, MDA) reached a level 50 times higher than normal, and although MDA is teratogenic, he said he wasn't worried about fathering deformed children, because his sperm count had gone to zero.

I think it's a better choice, however would not put in flaxseed oil as its very high in PUFA's, which is toxic. I make my coffee with only milk to which I add sugar, coconut oil and salt. Much more healthy.

They say a lie (or myth in this case) can travel around the world before the truth can even get it's shoes on ... Ray Peat on the milk myth: http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/milk.shtml " n a recent study of 69,796 hospitalized newborns, a diagnosis of cow's milk allergy was made in 0.21% of them. Among those whose birthweight had been less than a kilogram, 0.35% of them were diagnosed with the milk allergy. Gastrointestinal symptoms were the main reason for the diagnosis, but a challenge test to confirm the diagnosis was used in only 15% of the participating hospitals, and a lymphocyte stimulation test was used in only 5.5% of them (Miyazawa, et al., 2009). There are many publications about milk allergies, but they generally involve a small group of patients, and the tests they use are rarely evaluated on healthy control subjects. Several surveys have found that of children who have a diagnosed milk allergy, about 2/3 of them grow out of the allergy. People who have told me that they have had digestive problems with milk have sometimes found that a different brand of milk doesn't cause any problem. Milk with reduced fat content is required by US law to have vitamins D and A added. The vehicle used in the vitamin preparation, and the industrial contaminants in the “pure” vitamins themselves, are possible sources of allergens in commercial milk, so whole milk is the most likely to be free of allergens. A thickening agent commonly used in milk products, carrageenan, is a powerful allergen that can cause a “pseudo-latex allergy” (Tarlo, et al., 1995). It is a sulfated polysaccharide, structurally similar to heparin. There are good reasons to think that its toxic effects are the result of disturbance of calcium metabolism (see for example Abdullahi, et al., 1975; Halici, et al., 2008; Janaswamy and Chandrasekaran, 2008). Besides the idea of milk allergy, the most common reason for avoiding milk is the belief that the genes of some ethnic groups cause them to lack the enzyme, lactase, needed to digest milk sugar, lactose, and that this causes lactose intolerance, resulting in gas or diarrhea when milk is consumed. Tests have been reported in which a glass of milk will cause the lactase deficient people to have abdominal pain. However, when intolerant people have been tested, using milk without lactose for comparison, there were no differences between those receiving milk with lactose or without it. The “intolerant” people consistently tolerate having a glass with each meal. When a group of lactase deficient people have been given some milk every day for a few weeks, they have adapted, for example with tests showing that much less hydrogen gas was produced from lactose by intestinal bacteria after they had adapted (Pribila, et al., 2000).

One thing to keep in mind on referencing someone as Peter Attia and omitting others, is that Peter Attia admitted that he either skipped classes on nutrition in medschool or not paid attention at all ! He only recently started his research into the field and is on a very short journey where he himself is still busy experimenting on himself with his ketosis not even 6 months long. He also admits to not having figured it out yet. Dr. Ray Peat on the other hand has studied, researched and practised nutrition and physiology for more than 40 years ! He is currently 76 years old and look great. He also still has most of his hair !

I have the highest respect for Prof Tim Noakes and admire what he has done and for his stance on LCHF. I have bought his books and been in email contact with him numerous times. I have tweeted him and he has retweeted some of my tweets in the past, before he got so popular on twitter. There is a lot of merit in what he says, but remember this does not come from Tim Noakes. This is a very old diet and the LCHF diet is one that is very popular in some internet circles. It is an industry on its one, as is the vegan, or whatever other diet craze. There is always people making money from their popularity. That Rob Wolf guy crashed on his LC diet (as did many others) and now makes a lot of money spinning Paleo. I say, listen to all, do your own homework, study the literature, the physiology, the science, not what one guy says has worked for him. Incorporate what workes for you. Remember people lie all the time or exaggerrate the benefits or dont mention the negatives or side effects. That is just human. Read impartial opinions and research, people like Ray Peat imo is as impartial as they come. Read his articles, listen to his interviews on radio, it is difficult to find fault with his reasoning. He never looses his temper or raise his voice to make his point like so many others like Gary Teubes and even Tim Noakes. That is normally a sign of insecurity. I have tried a low carb and ketogenic diet for 9 months, even before some "gurus" on here. Initialy it was wonderfull, but after a couple of months, I could not stand having sore legs all the time even after a nights rest or just as I start my ride. So I started having sugar in my diet again, mostly more fruit, but sugar in my coffee with Coconut oil as well. I feel much better now, have more power, more energy and sleep better. My BG is 4 in the morning when I wake up ! It was higher sometimes on LC . My son got very ill on the LC diet after 6 months on it. He was very active, played very good tennis and other sport. He, like me, also decided that "sugar is bad" and did not eat it any more in cooldrinks or sweets or other food in sympathy for his diabetic brother but mainly because his dad said sugar is bad and toxic... How foolish of me. It was 3 months of hell where he could barely move before his lungs contracted so much that he could hardly breath. In those 3 months the best specialists and doctors here in the Cape could not find out what was wrong with him. After numerous tests, scans and handfulls of different pills and medicines, they declared they can find nothing physically wrong with him. All blood tests were "normal" and the said he must be mentally ill or it was in his mind ! This was after he was rushed to ER complaining of the worst chest pain he ever expereinced ! They wanted to put him on mental medication for 4 months before a psychiatrist could even see him. Talk about how much money these guys make! My wife and I refused and I researched day and night for many days and weeks. Because of Ray Peat's work and others mentioning him, I fed him Coconut oil and sugar. He is thankfully now healthy again and competing at the top level in tennis again. I am just glad this whole nightmare is over. So my advice, be very careful of blindly following some Guru's recommendations, especially if they have no background in physiology ! LCHF diets have their place in certain circumstances, but not as a norm or in healthy people.

Ray Peat, PhD ( in biology and physiology with emphasis on aging of cells) http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/diabetes.shtml I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption. In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements. It should be remembered that amino acids, especially in eggs, stimulate insulin secretion, and that this can cause hypoglycemia, which in turn causes cortisol secretion. Eating fruit (or other carbohydrate), coconut oil, and salt at the same meal will decrease this effect of the protein. Magnesium carbonate and epsom salts can also be useful and safe supplements, except when the synthetic material causes an allergic bowel reaction..

So did he recommend such a doctor? If so, I certainly would be interested to hear what he has to say, if you could share it here.

I sure hope you are not advising them to go ketogenicly low carb with her as that could lead to the same complications as what happened to my competitively tennis playing son of 13 years old. (not the Type 1 diabetic one). Ketogenic diets are for sick people, NOT healthy, active and especially young people !

Garu Teubes is a charlatan who is fat, not lean. He sells books and speaking appointments. He chooses to selectively use some data that might prove his point, but omits all the other data that proves otherwise. Not all cancer are cured by ketogenic diets. That is enough proof that sugar and carbohydrates dont cause cancer. Not all cases of epilepsy are cured by ketogenis diets. Ditto as above. Not all cases of Type 2 diabetes or even obesity are cured by ketogenic diets. Ditto as above. He has no data to prove that carbohydrates did not exist in the diet of man for 99.9 % of time. He has no proof that man lived longer 100 years ago than now. Man has bigger brains today than 10000 years ago. The brain needs glucose. Glucose oxidation is the most efficient form of metabolism. Other research shows if you restrict glucose, you restrict brain development. During the night when you sleep, the body produces stress hormones. It is not a state to stay in for ever ! But go ahead, believe Gary Teubes if you want and ignore all the other research out there. How many actually watched him during conferences and Q&A, especially against other speakers? He is one arrogant sob.

I would not make such a broad statement. Dietary ketosis is a stressed state for the body. It has its uses for terapeutic purposes in metabolicly impaired people or people with possible cell respiratory problems, ie their mitochondria are not functioning properly. But, it stresses the body and causes the release of stress hormones which can have a whole range of negative consequences in the body. It is certainly not for healthy people, or definitely not long term in healthy people. In a ketogenic state you break down your own protein and fat to get the glucose your body need. The state of diatary ketosis and ketoacidoses differ only in the amount of keto acids in the blood, an order of magnitude of around 10. The same process is happening in the body, but in a normal person, not Type 1, the body will produce enough insulin to regulate the amount of ketoacids produced.

from the Peatarion.com forum discussions: Ray has an article on his site called "Unsaturated Vegetable Oils: Toxic" "A small amount of these oils won't kill you. It is the proportion of them in your diet that matters. A little extra vitamin E (such as 100 units per day) will take care of an occasional American restaurant meal. Based on animal studies, it would take a teaspoonful per day of corn or soy oil added to a fat-free diet to significantly increase our risk of cancer. Unfortunately, it is impossible to devise a fat-free diet outside of a laboratory. Vegetables, grains, nuts, fish and meats all naturally contain large amounts of these oils, and the extra oil used in cooking becomes a more serious problem." Ray Peat, PhD. "Ultimately, all systems of the body are harmed by an excess of these oils." "Unsaturated fats cause aging, clotting, inflammation, cancer, and weight gain. Avoid foods which contain the polyunsaturated oils, such as corn, soy, safflower, flax, cottonseed, canola, peanut, and sesame oil." "Pork is now fed corn and soy beans, so lard is usually as toxic as those oils; use only lean pork." "Fish oils are usually highly unsaturated; "dry" types of fish, and shellfish, used once or twice a week, are good. Avoid cod liver oil." "Use vitamin E." "Use coconut oil, butter, and olive oil." "Unsaturated fats intensify estrogen's harmful effects." "Vegetable oil is recognized as a drug for knocking out the immune system." "50 years ago, paints and varnishes were made of soy oil, safflower oil, and linseed (flax seed) oil. Then chemists learned how to make paint from petroleum, which was much cheaper. As a result, the huge seed oil industry found its crop increasingly hard to sell. Around the same time, farmers were experimenting with poisons to make their pigs get fatter with less food, and they discovered that corn and soy beans served the purpose, in a legal way. The crops that had been grown for the paint industry came to be used for animal food. Then these foods that made animals get fat cheaply came to be promoted as foods for humans, but they had to direct attention away from the fact that they are very fattening. The "cholesterol" focus was just one of the marketing tools used by the oil industry. Unfortunately it is the one that has lasted the longest, even after the unsaturated oils were proven to cause heart disease as well as cancer.." -Ray Peat PhD.

You might want to reconsider because pork belly fat (lard) contains a lot of PUFA which is no good.

Some more interesting perspectives: "It's the fruit man !"

I know what you all are going through. My son was diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes in the ER just more than a year ago, also 10 then . I have been studying LC diets and other related research full time it seems since then ... All the best. This is going to be a tuff journey for all involved, but you soon learn to manage it better. You can contact me via private mail if you want and I'll give you my cellnumber if you want to talk.

Blaming the presence of high cholesterol is like blaming the firemen on the scene of a fire. Rather find the cause/source of the fire !

Yes, thought you were Roux1 that said he was low carb and high heart rate exercising. Just for interest sake, did you test cortisol, thyroid and estrogen levels as well ?

When you exercise, your body (cells) is under stress. Adrenaline is used to facilitate making glucose from your body tissues, because you are low carb and therefore low blood glucose. Adrenaline and cortisol makes your heart rate faster. These are STRESS hormones and NOT healthy long term. I bet your cortisol levels are higher too. You are probably going low thyroid as well, if not already, and will also be at risk of high estrogen levels with all its bad consequences. It is more complex than this but you have to read the literature yourself to understand the hormones involved better.

Yes, I experienced similar and that is why I incorporated much more carbs bask into my diet. But going much further, I stopped listening to just one or 2 " guru's " and made it my priority to read much more broader and more specific, the opposite views of other highly intelligent people like Ray Peat, PhD . http://www.functionalps.com/blog/2011/09/12/master-list-ray-peat-phd-interviews/