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Definately............ It was quite obvious when the "sprinter" Boassenhagen (spelling) was working at the front in the Alpes and half of the favouries (climbers) fell off that something wasnt right.................. And Froome-Dog unfortunately Deja-vu'ed Floyd Landis of a few years back................

I guess so................ But then again Lance struggled to compete with the top guys while he was doping so what does that tell us?

Dude I am done "wondering". I know everyone is vrot. Now then........... whats next??? Do the Ironmen also dope???? Macca Crowie and co........... are they all clean?????

Read the book "Born to Run".

There is also one question for those who still doubt........... Why would Hincapie and co admit? Seriously what have they to gain except basically ending their own careers and they also had to give up their spots on the olympic teams. They gained nothing from admitting except maybe not going to jail as they were under oath......... Yes sure it is obvious that Jeff and Travis was after the kingpin Lance and thats why they probably offered a deal to all these guys. 6 month bans and no jailtime in return for the truth which they all gladly accepted. I think you realise that family is more important when threatened with jail. As Tyler said (or was told).... its only a bike race..............

Indurian is `n brood. Klaar.

40 houe met `n stomp byl op jou voorvel

On a different matter..........so how do we fix this? Can't they plant some sort of chip into the tour riders body for the four weeks monitoring blood volumes and "dead" redcells? When transfusing there is always a number of dead cells... Or each team leader needs an permanent escort from a doping agency. A guy that basically follows him around everywhere... almost like a bodyguard....? Or they need to test every bloody riders Hematocrit level for everysingle day of the TDF.....

OK well still, why dont anyone deny or help him right? I think Tyler knows this is not something to lie about or make **** up

Oh lefty and you are correct. During the one mountain stage their sprinter boassenhagen rode 3/4 of the peleton off while at the front. As Lance would say.... Not Normal...... to the gills

After reading Tylers book and understanfing that dopi g takes away bad days after big efforts ypu also have to wonder about thomas voeckler and sandy casar. Even Evans is now linked to Ferrari. Guys like Jens also comes to mind. Realistically I think 70% of the tour is vrot.

Well to be honest I believe Tyler. I also believe the book Bad Blook by Jeremy Whittle. I also believe that Hincapie and co (if not lance) would have said publicly that some of what Tyler has said is a lie or false. Why has NO one questioned anything in Tylers book?? Are you saying he made all the stuff in that book up? If so then Tyler should become a writer for James Cameron or Steven Spielburg. Lets be honest here guys.

Ja but at least the other riders didnt go to UCI complaining about Lance doping whilst doing the 7 tours? Lance did everything possible to win. He basically ratted Tyler out first so screw him. Tyler has all the rights to rat "back" at him...... And say what you want, Tyler coming out with the truth is what we needed. I personally think that it makes the difference in this whole saga as now everybody knows without having to read a technical document. Now if only Tyler donates all profits made from his book to some charity then it will really have a happy ending............ How many books did Lance and co sell that was a lie??? At least Tyler sells the truth.

Well at least he admits it... and he also doesnt spare himself in his book. It takes a real man to do that. He was brutally honest. So who do you respect/despise more? Tyler the rat or Lance the defiant cheat?

I mean Lance will spare them as they didnt "rat" him out. Or at least George held up until he didnt have any other choice...

Well not yet......... Like Tyler said, also lyke Floydd said, if you lie enough you actually really start to believe in your own innocence that all the other people are crazy... However..... Lance is not stupid. He will own up eventually. I just think he will plan the way he goes about it very carefully. 1.) He will have no mercy on his foes. He will hit them very hard where it hurts most. Only George will be spared... and Johan Bruyneel.... 2.) He will almost surely "commercialise" his response into some sort of money making scheme. Either a book or a movie or documentary or even both.... Or appear on some TV show for a tell all show. 3.) He will work out exactly how to be seen as the "victum". That along with his cancer emotional card will ensure he maintains a huge support base.... THe real hero here is actually Tyler Hamilton. His book is a tell it as it is to the normal guy on the street. This way we mortals can understand the real story and not be required to read through a 1,000 pages of technicalities. You have to admit though..... Tylers book will make a wonderfull movie..... And looking at all the unstable guys on the Hub I am sure they can use a few of the hubbers in their cast......

And rightly so. Just finished Tyler's book yesterday. The worst thing for me was that Lance ran to the UCI and told them that Tyler is doping whilst he was doping himself. He wanted to dope but did not allow others to do the same or at least dope at the same levels. So was the playing field really "level"??? I think not. It is obvious that Lance had an unfair advantage in general. He had the best docters and financial support and he also had the luxury of sweeping "positive tests" under the carpet whilst all the other okes had to pay for it by serving out bans etc... Lance just kept on raking in the millions. I wonder that if the playing field was really level how many tours he would have won? I doubt any more than 2 or 3. Maybe this is where he faltered...... He was just too awesome....... Is it not ironic that more money is invested in doping research (how not to get caught etc) than into actual cancer research. Also is it wrong to wonder if Lance possibly had something to do with the 2004 tour when all the favourites got the wrong transfusions? (Tyler, Mayo and Ullrich)

Ja ja JGR lets do it. I will ask my gardner to come around the night before Ironman on his Vespa. He will bring Edgar with.

Hoe dare you?? Thats ILLEGAL!!

Is their any way I can test my hemocrit levels? Just out of interest sake? Anyone where I can find that Edgar guy??

He is probably writing a tell all book so that he can reveal all whilst making a fortune

Jawell this bullcrap argument of "everyone doped" also holds only limited water. Lance took it to a new level. He perfected it almost... and when he did test positive he used his influence to make it go away. And yet he lied on TV without blinking hundreds of times...... Seriously, has he done more good than harm to the sport? Sure he survived cancer and all that.... does that however make him immune to what he has done wrong? Honestly he has contributed immensely to ensure the sport is dirtier than ever.... Oh and if Tyler tells the truth then Lance is the kind person I would rather not meet.........

Dude thats how Macca rolls. Crowie always finishes even if it is 12th. He is a true legend and really does respect the sport and the island. Next year I really hope Andreas or Marino wins. They deserve it most.....

Material evidence is not required. It is pretty obvious he doped. Consider reading the book Bad Blood from Jeremy Whittle.

Lefty. Why would Hincapie and co testify? What could possibly be in ot for thwm except bans and basically the end of their careers? Why would they lie about it?