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David how long did you ride for an how much liquid did you consume, it sounds like you might have consumed too much, remember there is an effect called gastric emptying, the body can only absorb so much water per an hour you might have over done it, in the heat. all the best M

Tcr1, I think you should really learn how to strategise properly with nutrition, and you will definitely take your 22nd place down to a top 10 ;-). Its evident from the statement above you dont understand proper nutrition on stage racing. First of all, pre-race meal and recovery meal, glycogen repair, and then racing effort all play a part from one stage to the next. Also day 2 of a stage race is usually the hardest as it goes on you find you get stronger. Also mixing 3 different types of nutrition, or make that 5 on 3 different days, now thats a real downfall. You cannot test one against the other or even give a proper reflection of how you feel on a particular day with a particular drink. Maybe if you had started day 1 on 32Gi you would have felt good, and day 2 no matter what you took felt bad. Anyway, hope u put some proper thought into your nutrition when you race and stick to it, you might even place. And remember one thing, your fuel is your glycogen, not what you put in, the trick is to spare it. No such thing as rocket gas, in a Volkswagen beetle ;-) best of luck M

There are only so many things that cause cramps, but generally if the cramps occur only in the legs, then I am afraid to say you re racing at an intensity you are not used to in training. This can mean medium, hard or slow, you have different types of muscle fibers in the body fast and slow twitch. When you train you should try and do sessions which cover all. As an example at Comrades most runners cramp not because they are not good at speed or pace work, but because they are not good at running longer distances at a slower pace. Different muscles come into play in a variety of conditions and events. You need to ensure your muscles are conditioned to cater for all of these. Second most number of reasons for cramping, over hydration. Yes taking in too much water with no electrolytes and diluting your levels. Dr Ross Tucker has actually shown that most athletes and the testing they did was at 2 Oceans showed that sweat is hypotonic, so salt concentration levels increase when you sweat, as you sweat out more water than salt. Food for thought, does slight dehydration cause cramping not according to him. Anyway, number 1 above is most likely. later M

It's official 32Gi launches the new sachets and chews :-)

Hi All Come and visit our stand at the 94.7 EXPO, would be great to meet you all, we are launching our NEW chews this week country wide and sachets, i am sure you will love them, especially the kick and taper ;-) all the best M

Carbon crunch it depends what weight you are talking about. Percentage fat lost is not going to affect your performance as long as its within the healthy range, but 32Gi wont cause a loss of muscle mass at all. Weight is not the important factor here its about power to mass weight ratio and as long as your muscles are not breaking down you will be fine, 32Gi does not cause this at all, it purely deals with your sugar levels and allows for stabilization. As mentioned to others you can take in additional calories with 32Gi, it will just lower the GI and taper you off nicely. But if you want to spare the glycogen as much as possible, stay away from the sugar until its really needed. Your focus around your weight should be around your daily nutrition, and pre and post training nutrition, thats the key.

Just wanted to show you all something which is a realistic demonstration of how 32Gi actually performs. I went riding in the South this weekend, 130km, 4 x 10minute intervals 5 minute recover to start, then nice comfortable pace and then 4 x 10minute intervals with 5 minute recover to finish. Meaning I had to have the legs for the last hour and that was truly putting myself into the red zone. Especially with the last hour in a head on wind and the last interval finishing up butchers hill. I went out with two training partners so you can chat to them to verify. But anyway the link to my route profile etc is attached. Saddle time was 4.5hours. My Route Nutrition was as follows: Pre-Training: 2 x slices of low GI seed loaf with apricot jam (no sugar added) 1/2 serving of 32Gi in 200ml's of water During the ride: 2 x 750ml bottles with 1 serving (50grams) of 32Gi in each Took on some additional water an hour before the finish but no additional energy drink. That was it, I finished very strong up butchers, no fatigue no lack of energy, yes my legs were tired but if not then I would worry lol. Not to say that additional calories cannot be taken in, but the point is that it was not needed. Recovery Meal Immediately a soya isolate 90% to 10% MD Then a breakfast Rolled oats, low fat yoghurt, honey, sliced fruit Strong filtered coffee no milk no sugar. Ate normally through the day no excessive calories at all.

A big congratulations to Cashandra Slingerland who won the MTN Amashova Durban Cycling Classic today, proudly fuelled by 32Gi :-)

Hi all, have a fair bit of knowledge on MSM, if you are taking an oral supplement, I would suggest trying to find one which contains the big 4 of tendon and joint assistance. Glucosamine MSM Celadrin Chondroitin Chondroitin and Glucosomine are known to work well together in providing join health, MSM will assist with cartilage rebuild, it helps on the collagen strand bonding. The Real Thing make a good supplement, it works well, all the best M

Hi D Vader Just to inform you, the "Neutral 32Gi" flavour has been very well received at all the recent promos and from our elite athletes, we will be launching it soon. all the best M

Join us on Saturday 9th October at Tony Impey Cycles in Bedfordview or Johnson Cycle Works in Edenvale for a 32Gi Energy tasting session. Pop in visit us, chat to us would be great to meet some of you, all the best M

Join us on Saturday 9th October at Tony Impey Cycles in Bedfordview or Johnson Cycle Works in Edenvale for a 32Gi Energy tasting session. Pop in visit us, chat to us would be great to meet some of you, all the best M

Hi Peter, dates are high GI, probably around just over 100. You would need to find what works for you, basically eating on them own is not great, but during exercise is not bad, but I would not eat them too early on and spike yourself too early on in a training or racing session. By combining the dates with oats assuming its not instant you are brining down the glycemic load significantly and by doing so lowering the insulin response to that particular meal in the same token combining it with a drink like 32Gi, would bring down the glycemic load as well and probably give you a nice level at which to perform, but that would be something you need to play with to see how it works for you. all the best M

Thanks Zaskar, well put and its what I have been saying all along its not the energy drink that makes or breaks a session, its everything in the basket that has an impact. I was just digging at him for his unhappy Afriman ;-) but something I think I do need to mention is, we dont go out and ask the athletes to endorse our product in order to use them to market it, and then pay them. The athletes that use our product, like Jason actually tested it prior to launch, they used in training and racing conditions for many months, and the reason we are in the market is because more than 20 pro athletes from all different sports came back with really positive feedback. We tailored the drink according to their needs. In Jason's case, he uses 32Gi constantly, his race nutrition is perfect, he keeps sugar out of his diet he trains mainly on water and 32Gi, he races on 32Gi, and he uses a little more glucose in the kick to the finish. There are many athletes out their that endorse products but what are they really using in their bottles. We know of a few that use our product but are sponsored by other organisations, but thats the industry money seems to talk. This is something we are very strict about, you need to use and believe in a product if you are to endorse it. By the way, just for interest sakes, we actually made a Pineapple flavour for Jason because under extreme racing conditions its the flavour that gels well with him. We are not launching it yet into them market as the focus groups we used favoured the 4, and our neutral flavour is coming out shortly which you guys will really love. Aside from that stay tuned for exciting new 32Gi products coming out shortly, the sachets and chews will be officially launched nationally hopefully end of this month and then some interesting stuff coming down the line after that, to cater for anyone across the board. Our focus as always though is natural is best, the more natural and the more healthy a product we can put out, the happier we will be. Its a big responsibility putting something into someone elses body, if you think about it, in a way its a total invasion of privacy and requires a lot of trust. We need to ensure that what we put out there, is the best choice for a healthy lifestyle. With that said, lets see if the thread grows a little more, have a great day all of you. all the best M

I thought I would add my 2 cents worth to some of the comments. teh_runnah, not sure what happened to you at the Afriman BUT we got the win in the mens with Jason and 3rd place in the womens with Sam, totally fuelled by 32Gi, no miracles from any energy drinks, only lots of hard work. Its like taking a supplement if you dont eat correctly. As for artificial sweetner, not a chance ;-), hey but thats our little secret, from a nutrition point a view we only advocate natural. We are launching our neutral flavour soon, no flavouring at all, you will see how naturally sweet it is, remember its a honey extract, its where the base sweetness stems from. @Changing your diet for 32Gi????? Not a chance, I have never said that, I said change it regardless ;-). You should be changing your diet without any energy drinks, or supplements, diet is not about sacrifice its about eating healthy and using the correct approach for training and racing. There are no quick fixes or miracle products out there it boils down to hard work and effort. Pre-race and during race nutrition, or training nutrition needs to be planned properly and stuck with. My clients that ask me what supplements they should take in the form of multi-vitamins or shakes or meal replacements etc, I have one sentence for them, your body does not deserve them until you learn to eat properly. Meaning health first, nothing can replace a natural and wholesome meal. Supplements are exactly that, a "supplement" to a healthy diet. @Swissvan Where are you from, I am sure we can get a tub to you or a nearby stockist. PM me. I think this was too serious for this thread, better go back to my other one all the best M

I agree that at high intensity levels the fat oxidization is minimal, thats why I spoke of training at lower to medium intensity levels to burn off fat and get used to it, lets face it when the muscles are burning up at an extremely hard rate glycogen is going to be used up very quickly, I guess my method of thinking is, the longer you can spare that glycogen for the better you will be able to respond when the intensity increases drastically, if you have no glycogen left mmmmmm, well we know there is only one way out of that, and thats a quick glucose injection. This is why on the 32Gi side we are running testing on glycogen sparing, we believe and preliminary testing has shown some nice sparing in long events and still at high intensity effort above 75% VO2 Max, we have seen athletes perform extremely well. Those results will definitely be publicly available once completed, you will be the first to see, for good or bad ;-), actually there is someone waiting before you, but both of you will get the reports. In an endurance race, lets say something like Ironman, you dont perform at maximum intensity continuously you need to pace yourself constantly and hold back for the run finish whereas in a solid 40km time trial you are going at maximum intensity from beginning to end, but for that period of time, your glycogen should see you to the finish, so I guess it comes down to your race and training plans as well, what you are intending to do and how are you going to feed yourself through, it does not always go to a plan, as in a bunch race, the bunch can dictate the pace and sometimes you have to follow or else. all the best M

I cant read everything as some is cut off the page, but what was said makes total sense and its an interesting topic of discussion, I will send you another research article on water based training, you might enjoy it, will scan some interesting pages in.

Nope, cant see it this is what I get see the below, only lets me see up to page 127

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Hi Wobbles, the pre-loading was introduced for the runners mainly who dont like to run with water bottles. Since you can take in 32Gi as a concentrate it was an effective way of getting it into their systems before an event. The thing is 32Gi taken in pre-event in one go, is like taking in a pre-race meal, its quite filling, and so one would need to balance out how much they take in with a pre-event meal. So I take 32Gi in 2 ways. For long runs, I have a half serving 30 minutes before, and thats all, I find a full serving too filling for me, and when I run, I want more of an empty stomach feeling. Also one has to remember, that taking in substances with a lot of liquid before and event can lead to level of discomfort due to a gastric emptying rate, meaning in the liquid you take in is not emptied quickly and so it sloshes around in our tummies until such stage as it empties, I dont take in a lot of liquid pre-event at all. As for cycling, I dont pre-load, I have a pre training meal, and sip in a little 32Gi and then only take it on the bike. The feedback is very different for the masses of people using the product, some love pre-loading, others hate it, some love it with pepto-pro, some with glutamine, etc, everyone really is unique and needs to find what works for them, and the only way is experiment. OK, Squash: I would definitely move away from the coke, no need for it, and we have got a lot of squash players using 32Gi, we actually were at the SA Champs at the Wanderers 2 months ago, chatting to the guys and giving them the drink to try during the games the feedback was really good. My issue with coke is the gas, and u probably will gain weight by drinking coke. Ok, so weight loss is a big topic of discussion always, and this is where I can honestly say my experience counts a lot. The issue with coffee is basically its a rush to the brain a feel good trigger. BUT coffee still does has some benefits. My question to u is do u have coffee with sugar and milk, and this is probably one of the main issues most people have. So what happens when u drink a cup, you hit an upper, and then u hit a downer, and when u hit that downer your body is going to crave something, and generally for most people its something sweet. Coffee gives you a short lived feeling of wow, i needed that, and who are we kidding Coffee is great, but it should be limited. If you can bring it down to 5 cups a week, you are in the ball park figure of the healthy lifestyle ;-). Secondly, if you are wanting the coffee to benefit you take out the sugar just have it black, and stay away from the instant coffee go with a ground coffee. Caffeine has its benefits, in 2 ways for sport. Its been researched that pre-event a strong cup of coffee, black coffee like an espresso, will actually speed up the time at which fat burn occurs. It works, I used to take in a strong cup of coffee before training and then go out for 2 hours on water only, of course if u take in the sugar it wont really help. Secondly, post event for glycogen replenishment caffeine take in with a complex carb such as oats as shown to increase the rate of glycogen replenishment, which is very interesting, researchers say as much as up to 50% faster, now thats interesting. I do that after a long session. Finally caffeine has 1 more benefit, but taken in 3-4 hours before and event and depleting yourself of caffeine the week before and endurance event it has shown to slow down the rate of glycogen depletion, but it needs to be taken in a few hours before and u need to be caffeine intolerant at the time. I cant get up that early :-) lol. Ok so weight loss, my advice is to eat small meals through the day, 5-6 portions of fruit and veggies, rather drink water than anything else, stay away from carbonated drinks and alcohol, reduce the sugar in your diet, and just make sure you eat less calories than you burn off, stick to complex carbs, and easily digestible proteins such as chicken and fish. I eat on average 7-10 meals a day depending on training etc, you can go to the nutrition and training forum there is a thread there on cycle diets, I wrote a one of my days menus, you can look at it to get an idea, but lots of decent ideas out there. I also advocate low GI as you are aware, from a nutrition perspective it will satiate you for far longer, provide you more sustainable energy for mind and body and keep your immune system healthy. Best of luck M

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Hi Wobbles, for 3-3.5 hours riding, you dont really need much fuel ;-), depending on the intensity of course. Typically for a 4 hour ride, I would have a decent low GI snack such 45-60 minutes before I go out, such as - Low GI Toast, diabetic Jam and Sugar Free Peanut Butter, or Honey, or even a slightly ripe banana sliced on this. Other options are Raw Oats, drizzle of honey and some banana or sliced apple. Future Life Cereal Pro-Nutro I then take 2 x 500ml or 750ml bottles with depending on weather conditions, for hydration purposes, and 1 serving of 32Gi will see me through that, you can take 1 in each bottle if you are nervous, but thats plenty. Complete muscle glycogen depletion should not happen at all within the first 2 hours (debatable ;-) depending on the intensity you are riding at, but I would say that would be a perfectly fed ride. If you want to train your body to be more efficient at utilizing its own and fed resources with time, I would recommend doing a lot of 1.5-2 hour rides on water alone, if they are early morning rides especially, you will see with time, what a difference it will make. These rides should not be of a very high intensity, but a moderate intensity. all the best M

I train 2 a day usually triathlon training takes its toll, but anyway, I believe in eating for energy, immune system strength and overall health. I tend to stay away from dairy a lot, cows are high in hormones, I personally believe its a common cause of breast cancer in woman, strong research has shown this to be pretty close to correct, I tend to focus on organic, natural, free range, and really try for anti-biotic free, I dont eat red meat much, I think u have more medication in there than we take in our lifetimes lol, yes I am a freak. Ok so here goes, as an example, but i do spend a lot of time in the kitchen and i create a lot of variety this is 1 day out of many. Wake up - Yerba Mate or Green Tea Breakfast - Organic Raw Rolled Oats, half organic banana, blueberries, strawberries, half a sliced apple, goji berries linseeds, pumpkin seeds, tsp of raw honey, low fat yoghurt (goats milk, not cows ;-)cows have the hormone issues. Multivitamins - Veridian Multisport - Its untouchable trust me, Solgar Esterfied Vit C Mid Morning 1 - Apple, tsp organic sugar free peanut butter mid Morning 2- Raw Tahina, 2 100% organic rye cracks, and a plum Lunch - Quinoa, Soya or tuna salad,with chopped chives, baby spinach, rosa tomatoes, dash goats feta, corriander, peppadews Afternoon - Pear or Apple, (yes organic), wheat grass drink it raw its revolting but good for u lol, if still hungry maybe a boiled egg Dinner - Vegetarian Omelette's, Pre-Bed Snack, low fat yoghurt (goats milk), dash of almonds, some berries, and sweet dreams ;-) I never fry, I always grill, I dont own a microwave, gas is best, and steaming is brilliant. As for pre- and post training meals, I use a soya isolate with no sugar at all, as most have MD in, but if its a really hard session, I will switch to one with a 91-9% isolate MD combo, as the MD helps with glycogen replenishment, as for pre-training, no real need, but if I am feeling a little fatigued, well, mmmm u know what my answer is 32Gi - ;-) I take in at minimum of 2 liters of water with no training included during a day, during training u could add the balance depending on when I train and for how long. So any day could be typically 3 liters upwards. I love a second cup of Yerba mate in the evening i let it soak all day and it when its cold, its just amazing. A great immune booster and natural fat burner. Age=39 Weight=68 % Body Fat - 6.2% been there for the past 4 years and not gained or lost, maintained very well. later guys

I agree with you on that, what I meant was it does not get converted quick enough for use during an event. 32Gi is broken down into fructose and glucose yes 1000%, I can send u an interesting diagram on the digestive process if you wish regarding our product.