MintSauce

I'm not....I said "to some people that matters"

Oh the joys of public forums! But that's how it will be as long as there are Internet Dickwads!

I'm a bit dissapointed now reading the first post. I've never ridden Pat's....only ever heard about it. And now it's been dumbed down before I got to appreciate it....bloody hell

Sorry about dribbling over it yesterday but it's just so flippen hot with those rims and the Brooks kit....love it!

Nice of you to make such assumptions and accusations without even seeing the rim' date=' eh...? If you knew anything about bicycle wheels you'd know that a rim can have a very slight flat spot that can be seen with the naked eye when you spin the wheel and look at it from the side. If it's perhaps 1 or 2mm it will be quite clearly visible but WILL NOT affect the braking performance or feel or strength of the wheels. In such cases the wheel can still be used and it will in most cases not in any way affect the longevity of the wheel. At the same time, yes, in certain instances it can affect performance. Right now however, I'm going to go with the opinion of a shop mechanic who has actually seen these wheels and could've made some money by convincing the owner to replace the rim....but didn't How many times have guys come onto the Hub and complained of shops telling them to replace parts in order to make an extra sale when the truth is that the component could very easily still have served the owner for a long time. Here we're faced with a mechanic that tells his customer not to worry as it's fine and we then we get some internet wise-ass tell the owner that said mechanic is a chop....without having seen the wheel himself....?! Get a life turtlek! To the original poster, the most drastic step I'd tell you to take now is to get a 2nd and/or 3rd opinion. I've ridden 'flat spots' for years on some rims without a single problem! [/quote'] Mintsauce yes fair enough assumptions and accustations are a very good cause for your post but with the term "Smashed" used in his first post that makes me post from my personal experience i have also gone through minor potholes on my road bike and then gone home and realised that my rim has mushroomed from that pothole and then i have also smashed my rim into a pothole at close on 50km\h which caused a bigger mushroom on the rim and a very bad flat spot aluminium is not a very hard metal and when it comes into contact with something very abruptly it causes deformities especially with this kind of impact it will not only cause a flat spot but also a bulge or an indent how can you not feel a difference in a rim that has a flat spot it causes the rim to be closer to the brake pads that the other parts of the rim which in riding makes the brakes hop on the rim no matter how big or small the flat spot is which in turn wears the brake pads down and makes for a very uncomfortable ride when you pull brakes so yes i was wrong by making assumptions based on what he said but where did he say anything about length or size of the flat spot????????? 'Smashed' is a pretty hectic generalisation and it, as used in the description, has no bearing on the nature of the damage. Plenty of people 'smash' into all sorts of obstacles at speed and it does not always lead to damage, nevermind the specific damage you assumed occured. As for the damage caused, let's just quickly get our facts straight because I suspect you're confusing the terms 'flat spot' and 'dent'. You, I suspect, are thinking of a 'ding' or a 'dent' in the rim...like this one that has graced my MTB for several months. Firstly, it's not always the case that a rim is both dented and flat-spotted at the same time. They can easily occur independently of each other. A ding is usually pretty easy to detect with the naked eye or by running your fingers over the rim as the 'mushrooming' you speak of can be easily felt. A flat spot is what happens when an impact causes the rim to be ovalised. In other words, the rim is no longer perfectly round. This type of damage is not easily visible. As I've mentioned before, it's normally only visible by spinning the wheel and looking at it from the side. It will look like the wheel is bouncing while spinning. Here's a clip....don't look at the rimtape, look at the edge of the rim in relation to the trueing stand: A flat spot is virtually impossible to correct via normal trueing of the wheel ie tightening or loosening of the spokes. If it is in fact visible without spinning the wheel then it is most likely bad enough to need to be replaced. In the case that it is not clearly visible, whether the rim needs to be replaced can be decided by asking the following questions: If the bike is fitted with rim-brakes, will the deformity affect the braking performance? If not, or if the bike is fitted with disc-brakes, we have to ask whether a difference can be felt while riding the bike? If no difference can be felt, the final question is simply, does it bother the owner enough to warrent replacing the rim?

Nice of you to make such assumptions and accusations without even seeing the rim, eh...? If you knew anything about bicycle wheels you'd know that a rim can have a very slight flat spot that can be seen with the naked eye when you spin the wheel and look at it from the side. If it's perhaps 1 or 2mm it will be quite clearly visible but WILL NOT affect the braking performance or feel or strength of the wheels. In such cases the wheel can still be used and it will in most cases not in any way affect the longevity of the wheel. At the same time, yes, in certain instances it can affect performance. Right now however, I'm going to go with the opinion of a shop mechanic who has actually seen these wheels and could've made some money by convincing the owner to replace the rim....but didn't How many times have guys come onto the Hub and complained of shops telling them to replace parts in order to make an extra sale when the truth is that the component could very easily still have served the owner for a long time. Here we're faced with a mechanic that tells his customer not to worry as it's fine and we then we get some internet wise-ass tell the owner that said mechanic is a chop....without having seen the wheel himself....?! Get a life turtlek! To the original poster, the most drastic step I'd tell you to take now is to get a 2nd and/or 3rd opinion. I've ridden 'flat spots' for years on some rims without a single problem!

Just as a matter of interest....is that for the lever blade only or for the complete lever assembly...?

Well, I did. The end of the cablestop where you're drilling is pretty thin. Therefor the drill bit does not have to line up perfectly with the tube to make a round hole. Like I said, if you are careful and use a variable speed drill it is doable. If you start really slowly it will not bind as the aluminium is pretty soft. The speed that you're drilling at and the fact the aliminium is thin and soft means that you don't need to have the drill spinning at max revs. Slowly and easy does it and that means you have enough control to prevent the drill from going near the frame. I did it. Unfortunately I didn't take pics so I can't prove it. I have since resprayed the frame, but will nonetheless post pics of the finished product when I have the chance. The bike is not with me at the moment.

You can drill the cablestops out, you just need to be careful not to damage the frame. It's certainly doable. However, it will make a mess of the frame if you're careless A dremel is a better tool for the job No....I don't have patience for a file

Depends how bad it is. It shouldn't be a problem, especially if you have discbrakes. If you have v-brakes you just need to make sure the pads are making proper contact with the braking surface all the way round.

I'm interested. A demo would be cool. I'm in Vredehoek over weekends.

It's way cooler

I suppose we have to wait for you to get those new pimp wheels built up...?

Firstly, I think it would be pretty much impossible to stop. And secondly, as you might guess by my first post, I don't have a problem with it. It's a free market. If I can buy anything by any legal means and can make a profit selling it to a willing buyer, there's pretty much nothing you can do about it. The organisers might not like it, but if they offer these entries for sale to the general public, I would think that by law, the moment any person offers to purchase the entry it becomes a legally binding contract, in the same way that the 7/11 on the corner offers you a verbal contract by opening it's doors and offering it's goods for resale. Now if the organisers were to expressly forbid this in the entry form....different story alltogether. Do they by any chance...?

Free market....he can sell it for whatever he wishes. The fact it was sold almost immediately says the price was ok. I wonder what the going rate is on Epic entries? I bet they're not selling for the 'suggested retail price'

I like spooning too

2 days and 20-odd pages normal....? I'd say we're having a very sllloooo-o-o-o-w-wwww week!

with some peeps here you opening a can of worms here...... Why...? I'm a mountain biker so maybe I missed something. Cars are more important. They pay to use the roads and they need to get somewhere. Roadies are just there for fun.

Woke up with this in my head....they've been kind of off the radar for a while, nut nonetheless one of the greatest modern band. Manic Street Preachers - The Second Great Depression

Haha....nice one Wolfie! Back to the topic at hand, I'm with Hog here. Spiders are FREAKY! It's one of the first things I make a new girlfriend understand. SHE has to deal with creepy-crawlies! Besides....every man for himself. It's the cyclist in question's responsibility to stay out of the way of the car as the driver needs to look after his own safety. It's a road after all. The car has right of way over a bicycle!

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Just remembered another old favorite.... John Cougar Mellencamp - Hurt So Good