Fly with bombs...

[buffy]

Subscribed to Tread Mag at the World Cup and got the free C02 bomb. Now for the stupid question, when we fly back to PE tomorrow, can the bomb be taken onto the plane in our stow-away luggage? Don't want a mid air cylinder exploding! :-)

Flew Kulala from Lanseria to CT. I had my bombs in my cargo luggage no problem.

 

 

Came back from CT had my bombs in my hand luggage they were confiscated.

[Christopher Brunsdon]

I cannot see the danger of the bombs. Its a hard encasing with a soft metal skin so if the pressure caused it to pop, its just the membrane that would be breached and not the encasing shattering into a million shrapnel pieces.

 

I would just wrap place between some undies in my check in luggage.

[kosmonooit]

Flying to the Argus this year there were quite insistent that the packed bikes contained no 'bombs' and even checked

[baie-sukkel]

The "bomb"cannister is not the PROBLEM, it's what could possibly be inside the cannister that's the danger...........therefore the regulation not to fly any cannisters........O2,Fire Ext, bicycle bombs etc..........similar to you ain't allow more than"x" quantity liquid onboard that you brought through security( you can buy as much as you whish past security). I would hate to be onboard an aircraft where a bicyle bomb charge with eg pepper spray leaks and cause the aircraft to become incapacitated. So I think the idea is not to transport your bombs with you on a passenger flight. Pure cargo aircrafts differ very much from passenger-cargo flights, there ammunition,and all sorts of other forbidden goods are carried, but the criteria and the monitoring of these goods are much more controlled than pax flights, each and every piece of cargo is x-rayed and sniffer-doged.Flying the public is my business and I would hate to have anything onboard knowingly than could affect the safety of my passengers..... I have carried about 1500 passengers the last 5 days SAFETLY around the country,and is very greatful for the security measurements in place, there are some pretty f.....-up people out there.

Edited April 25, 2011 by baie-sukkel

[Azonic]

Ja... I left the bomb at the B&B in PMB. Its probably still there if someone in the area wants it. We flew BA. I asked the guy at checkin whether they would have allowed it. Nope. He then asked me again if I was sure I didn't have it in my luggage. Good idea to leave it behind I rate then. R15-R20 not worth the hassle.

[Dubber88]

Regarding flying with your bike.

 

 

Should you deflate them to compensate for the lower air pressure(inner pressure will increase, assuming bottom carriage to pressurized) , or keep them for example at 2.5 bar?

 

I use foldable maxxis/ mountain king in tubeless .

 

Any experiences of burst tyres/ any other reccomendations regarding flying with your MTB?

[leeu52]

Road bike I deflate to low pressure. Tubeless MTB - don't bother as @ 2bar they are pretty docile already

[baie-sukkel]

Ja... I left the bomb at the B&B in PMB. Its probably still there if someone in the area wants it. We flew BA. I asked the guy at checkin whether they would have allowed it. Nope. He then asked me again if I was sure I didn't have it in my luggage. Good idea to leave it behind I rate then. R15-R20 not worth the hassle.

 

 

Well done, you have done the right thing,thank you 111 This make flying even more safe if we just respect and apply what the Civil Aviation request us to do. About 25 years ago a mine worker from Phalaborwa"stole" borrowed,or what ever you want to call it, a piece of explosives( I can't remember the excact explosive). On the decent not far from the "then"called Jan Smuts airport this small amount of explosives exploded and blew the aircraft out of the sky with all dead onboard............the guy that took the"stuff" onboard, was no criminal, just took something that he saw as safe onboard and the whole thing turned pear shape. Just not worth it. Remember it's not your 16 grams of compressed air the airlines are concern about BUT what is inside that canister......the x-ray machine can't see through the canister.

[Azonic]

I know they are concerned about what's inside, I get it. Its air and even if they knew its air, my question was what would happen to the cylinder at 35000 feet. I saw the Mythbusters where chics silicon bewbs would expand at very high altitudes, so was wondering if a bomb would pop or not...

 

I agree with I think Cois though, how do shops and importers import "bombs" ? Via ships?

[vici]

Well done, you have done the right thing,thank you 111 This make flying even more safe if we just respect and apply what the Civil Aviation request us to do. About 25 years ago a mine worker from Phalaborwa"stole" borrowed,or what ever you want to call it, a piece of explosives( I can't remember the excact explosive). On the decent not far from the "then"called Jan Smuts airport this small amount of explosives exploded and blew the aircraft out of the sky with all dead onboard............the guy that took the"stuff" onboard, was no criminal, just took something that he saw as safe onboard and the whole thing turned pear shape. Just not worth it. Remember it's not your 16 grams of compressed air the airlines are concern about BUT what is inside that canister......the x-ray machine can't see through the canister.

[vici]

Well done, you have done the right thing,thank you 111 This make flying even more safe if we just respect and apply what the Civil Aviation request us to do. About 25 years ago a mine worker from Phalaborwa"stole" borrowed,or what ever you want to call it, a piece of explosives( I can't remember the excact explosive). On the decent not far from the "then"called Jan Smuts airport this small amount of explosives exploded and blew the aircraft out of the sky with all dead onboard............the guy that took the"stuff" onboard, was no criminal, just took something that he saw as safe onboard and the whole thing turned pear shape. Just not worth it. Remember it's not your 16 grams of compressed air the airlines are concern about BUT what is inside that canister......the x-ray machine can't see through the canister.

[baie-sukkel]

I know they are concerned about what's inside, I get it. Its air and even if they knew its air, my question was what would happen to the cylinder at 35000 feet. I saw the Mythbusters where chics silicon bewbs would expand at very high altitudes, so was wondering if a bomb would pop or not...

 

I agree with I think Cois though, how do shops and importers import "bombs" ? Via ships?

 

 

Nothing will happen to the air inside the canister,and even if the tiny seal in the front pop(thats the weakest part of the cannister it will simply just deflate without your bikes presta valve attached to it . The pressure inside most pressurized aircraft you fly does not differ much from the pressure you experience around you at Johannesburg wow the cabin altitude is around 5500 feet when you at your cruising altitude.(eg 35000 feet) Sylicon boobs increasing in size mmmmmmmmmmmm,I have never heard of that, but I will ask a hostie I know that just had hers reconstructed.

[Dubber88]

Road bike I deflate to low pressure. Tubeless MTB - don't bother as @ 2bar they are pretty docile already

 

 

Dankie Leeu

[Guest coenie]

Nothing will happen to the air inside the canister,and even if the tiny seal in the front pop(thats the weakest part of the cannister it will simply just deflate without your bikes presta valve attached to it . The pressure inside most pressurized aircraft you fly does not differ much from the pressure you experience around you at Johannesburg wow the cabin altitude is around 5500 feet when you at your cruising altitude.(eg 35000)

 

I don't uderstand, at first you said it is good to leave them behind and now you say this?

 

I don't think that CAA officials are cyclist and therefor don't understand what a bomb is in cycling terms.

 

I KNOW that air in the hold does not go higher than 6000ft and thus checking them in will not cause a problem.

 

Don't mean pick a fight but if you read your posts you are contradicting yourself a bit.

 

I fly with mine attached to my bike, never had a problem. BTW Solomons cycles send me 15 CO2 canisters in a box no problems.

[baie-sukkel]

I don't uderstand, at first you said it is good to leave them behind and now you say this?

 

I don't think that CAA officials are cyclist and therefor don't understand what a bomb is in cycling terms.

 

I KNOW that air in the hold does not go higher than 6000ft and thus checking them in will not cause a problem.

 

Don't mean pick a fight but if you read your posts you are contradicting yourself a bit.

 

I fly with mine attached to my bike, never had a problem. BTW Solomons cycles send me 15 CO2 canisters in a box no problems.

 

Neither do I want to pick a fight, I did not for once say it's ok to fly with them,I mearly said, that a pressurized cannister onboard does not pose a risk at all,don't see this as it's ok to check it in,no that's not what I say, The fact that Solomans has send you a box is not a problem either,read my post re airfreight and the different criteria it goes through, Please note I am not trying to be clever here, just replying on something that I have some idea on,and not trying to be funny or MR"know it all" at all.

 

 

I hope this clears up what you see as contridicting myself?

Edited April 26, 2011 by baie-sukkel

[Guest coenie]

Baie-sukkel. I understand better what you meant now.

But I must also say that I think the people at checking has NO idea about cycling equipment, it's cost, tyre pressure or even what pressure the hold is held at.

 

I see no harm in a canister in the hold. I fully understand that CAA would not want us to have it in the cabin as one could make it into a weapon.

 

The amount of co2 in that canister is so little that even in the event of it going of in the hold it will nit be anything more than a poooooof.

 

The thing I find stupid about the airlines is that they allow deodorant tins? That has less pressure but more volume than our canisters thus about the same amount of "air" so just as "dangerous".

 

I just think they sometimes apply "rule" without understanding.