Cricket......

[Cellar]

the political pawn that Charl Langeveldt refused to be.

 

 

The only thing I remember about that, was being stunned to discover that Charl was not white.

[JGR]

I don't think he really got a proper crack at the job in 2004, AB was the other 'failed' keeper option without boucher and there's no denying his talent. - they used 18 players and 3 keepers in that series against England - but we'll never know (Amla, Steyn and AB all made their debuts in that series!). He should have replaced Boucher or not at all, his time has definitely passed and I'm actually starting to like AB as test keeper.

AB made the team as a bat (his talent) and his keeping was a bonus where as Thami has not excelled with the bat at domestic level to justify a spot.

 

Avg of 30 in FC isn't lighting up fires and I think he/CSA need to accept he is a good provincial player. There have been far more talented players than him who wont play international cricket for RSA.

 

Like many who would probably played a 100 ODI's for NZ or similar

['Dale]

 

Are you saying it is wrong to force this or wrong to not have a token player in the team without merit?

 

I think that to field a team that more or less reflects the demographic of the nation is a big challenge for CSA.

Representing SA is exactly that - in more ways than just semantics.

 

No player wants to be there as a token but as a performer on merit.

 

 

['Dale]

Btw

How loud mouthed are the Aussies in the media.

All part of the 'mental disintegration' campaign.

 

Hope SA kick their azz.

[Cellar]

Btw

How loud mouthed are the Aussies in the media.

All part of the 'mental disintegration' campaign.

 

Hope SA kick their azz.

 

All's fair in love and war. Or at least in Test Cricket. I think it's awesome. It's going to be great to see SA playing a real team, and not these soft-cock Paki's and Injuns for once.

Edited January 13, 2014 by Cellar

[JGR]

I think that to field a team that more or less reflects the demographic of the nation is a big challenge for CSA.

Representing SA is exactly that - in more ways than just semantics.

 

No player wants to be there as a token but as a performer on merit.

How can you field a team that reflects the demographic of a country if half do not want to participate? The team represents the demographic of interested/talented people (of any colour)

 

Would the same not apply for Bafana Bafana . 6 Black, 2 Whites, 2 Coloured and an Indian?

 

If you had to ask an African person who they would rather represent - Bafana or the Proteas their answer 95% of the time would be Bafana. Hence the reasons for so few white footballers and so few African cricketers.

 

Even minority groups get more players in the team because they place more importance in this sport than others.

['Dale]

 

How can you field a team that reflects the demographic of a country if half do not want to participate? The team represents the demographic of interested/talented people (of any colour)

 

Would the same not apply for Bafana Bafana . 6 Black, 2 Whites, 2 Coloured and an Indian?

 

If you had to ask an African person who they would rather represent - Bafana or the Proteas their answer 95% of the time would be Bafana. Hence the reasons for so few white footballers and so few African cricketers.

 

Even minority groups get more players in the team because they place more importance in this sport than others.

 

Lots of assumptions there, JGR.

Hmmm

 

['Dale]

 

How can you field a team that reflects the demographic of a country if half do not want to participate? The team represents the demographic of interested/talented people (of any colour)

 

Would the same not apply for Bafana Bafana . 6 Black, 2 Whites, 2 Coloured and an Indian?

 

If you had to ask an African person who they would rather represent - Bafana or the Proteas their answer 95% of the time would be Bafana. Hence the reasons for so few white footballers and so few African cricketers.

 

Even minority groups get more players in the team because they place more importance in this sport than others.

 

Lots of assumptions there, JGR.

Hmmm

 

Of course the are cultural trends, I agree.

It doesn't bury the reality that CSA is under pressure to transform.

 

How big a % is the black population within the SA total.

That's the dilemma right there.

 

[JGR]

Lots of assumptions there, JGR.

Hmmm

Such as? You say the team should be representative of SA by demographic?

 

Do you disagree Football is more popular than cricket with African people?

[JGR]

Lots of assumptions there, JGR.

Hmmm

 

Of course the are cultural trends, I agree.

It doesn't bury the reality that CSA is under pressure to transform.

 

How big a % is the black population within the SA total.

That's the dilemma right there.

If it is 80% but only 10% even care about cricket the don't outnumber the fans of another demographic do they?

 

The only pressure CSA should be under is how to keep us number 1!

Edited January 13, 2014 by JGR

[GLuvsMtb]

Got to love thehub. Lions probably have very good cricket reasons to have Thami captain the side and keep. Perhaps CSA whispered into their ears that Thami is out and QDK is in (as batsman) for the Aussie series. The last thing the Lions would want is to bring Thami in as Captain if he has not been playing any cricket. Lions would probably like some continuity with the remainder of the season.

[JGR]

Got to love thehub. Lions probably have very good cricket reasons to have Thami captain the side and keep. Perhaps CSA whispered into their ears that Thami is out and QDK is in (as batsman) for the Aussie series. The last thing the Lions would want is to bring Thami in as Captain if he has not been playing any cricket. Lions would probably like some continuity with the remainder of the season.

Good point re the Captaincy

['Dale]

 

Such as? You say the team should be representative of SA by demographic?

 

Do you disagree Football is more popular than cricket with African people?

 

My point is that sport is politicised in this country because of a wounded past.

This will not change as it is part of SA's nationhood.

Therein lies the challenge to balance merit with opportunity with social justice with performance.

 

That's just how things are here.

 

[Shebeen]

Here are the u19 world cup teams, I think you’ll find that it’s looking more and more ‘black’ as you go along. Whether this translates to national representation is another thing that only time will tell.

SA U19 teams (1998 – 2014):

* represents South African international

+ represents other international

SA U19 – 2014: Aiden Markram (Captain), Bradley Bopp, Corbin Bosch, Driaan Bruwer, Kirwin Christoffels, Justin Dill, Clyde Fortuin, Dayyaan Galiem, Sibonelo Makhanya, Greg Oldfield, Andile Phehlukwayo, Kagiso Rabada, Ngazibini Sigwili, Jason Smith, Yaseen Valli.

SA U19 – 2012: Chad Bowes (Captain), Gihahn Cloete, Murray Coetzee, Thinus de Bruyn, Quinton de Kock*, Corne Dry, Jan Frylinck, Vincent Moore, Solo Nqweni, Shaylen Pillay, David Rhoda, Diego Rosier, Calvin Savage, Prenelan Subrayen, Lizaad Williams.

SA U19 – 2010: Josh Richards (Captain), Colin Ackerman (Vice-Captain), Cody Chetty, Dale Deeb, Rabian Engelbrecht, Dominic Hendricks, Graham Hume, Simon Khomari, Sammy Mofokeng, Bokang Mosena, Malcolm Nofal, Jerry Nqolo, Stephan Smith, Kirk Wernars, David White.

SA U19 – 2008: Wayne Parnell* (Captain), Roy Adams, Matthew Arnold, Clayton August, Bradley Barnes, Daniel Childs, Sybrand Engelbrecht, Reeza Hendricks, Pieter Malan, Mangaliso Mosehle, Obus Pienaar, Riley Rossouw, Jon-Jon Smuts, Yaseen Vallie, Jonathan Vandiar.

SA U19 – 2006: Dean Elgar* (Captain), Pieter Daneel, Richard Das Neves, Craig Kieswetter+, Richard Levi*, Grant Mokoena, Wayne Parnell*, Romano Ramoo, Nkululeko Serame, Mthokozisi Shezi, Malusi Siboto, Jean Symes, Brett Thompson.

SA U19 – 2004: Diwan van Wyk (Captain), Keagan Africa, Craig Alexander, Andrew Birch, Jaco Booysen, Clint Bowyer, Vernon Philander*, Vince Pennazza, Waylain September, Mpumelelo Slwana, Godfrey Stevens, Vaughan van Jaarsveld*, Roelof van der Merwe*, Lwando Manase.

SA U19 – 2002: Hashim Amla* (Captain), Ryan Bailey, Chad Baxter, Stephen Cook, Riel de Kock, Zwelibanzi Homani, Davy Jacobs, Imraan Khan*, Rory Kleinveldt*, Brent Kops, Ryan McLaren*, Ian Postman, Brendan Reddy, Greg Smith.

SA U19 – 2000: Thami Tsolekile* (Captain), Andre Abrahams, Umar Abrahams, Johan Botha*, Rivash Gobind, Zwelibanzi Homani, Dumisa Makalima, Albie Morkel*, Johan Myburgh, Andrew Puttick*, Jacques Rudolph*, Dewald Senekal, Graeme Smith*, Jonathan Trott+.

SA U19 – 1998: Matthew Street (Captain), Gulam Bodi*, Murray Creed, Grant Elliot+, Andrew Gait, Donovan Henry, Jon Kent*, Michael Lumb+, Victor Mpitsang*, Johan Myburgh, Robin Peterson*, Jacques Rudolph*, Wasfie Samsodien, Morne van Wyk*.

Edited January 13, 2014 by Shebeen

[Joeboy69]

A couple do potent teams, like he 1998 and 2000s

[JGR]

My point is that sport is politicised in this country because of a wounded past.

This will not change as it is part of SA's nationhood.

Therein lies the challenge to balance merit with opportunity with social justice with performance.

 

That's just how things are here.

My point is that sport is politicised in this country because of a wounded past.

This will not change as it is part of SA's nationhood.

Therein lies the challenge to balance merit with opportunity with social justice with performance.

 

That's just how things are here.

Im confused I thought your point was the team should represent the demographic? But failed to respond to he question posed to you regarding lets say Bafana Bafana or does it only work the one way? or it transformation selective?