fandacious Posted February 9, 2012 Share Yeah. I believe that. i've always thought moreau was one of the cleaner ones.. he never really featured in previous tours. however in the last 2 tours, now that everyone is suddenly super vigilant and times are generally slower, he seems more prominent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT1 Posted February 9, 2012 Share i've always thought moreau was one of the cleaner ones.. he never really featured in previous tours. however in the last 2 tours, now that everyone is suddenly super vigilant and times are generally slower, he seems more prominent Agreed. Except, I don't buy the "peleton is cleaner" BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fandacious Posted February 9, 2012 Share Agreed. Except, I don't buy the "peleton is cleaner" BS. you reckon they're still shooting epo 5x a day? ok not EPO - whats the drug of choice nowdays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT1 Posted February 9, 2012 Share you reckon they're still shooting epo 5x a day? ok not EPO - whats the drug of choice nowdays? Not EPO. There are lower dose synthetic oxygen carriers out there at the moment, and of course, the way Contador got nicked, autologous blood transfusion. Some info for those of you that are bored: There are tests since 2004 for synthetic oxygen carriers, but those are often used in such low doses (which are still effective) and are often ahead of the curve when it comes to testing. What are the different types of blood transfusions for doping? There are two forms of blood doping: autologous and homologous. Autologous blood doping is the transfusion of one’s own blood, which has been stored (refrigerated or frozen) until needed. Homologous blood doping is the transfusion of blood that has been taken from another person with the same blood type. Although the use of blood transfusions for blood doping dates back several decades, its recent resurgence is likely due to the introduction of efficient EPO detection methods. Which forms of transfusions can be detected? A test for homologous blood transfusions (HBT) was implemented at the 2004 Summer Olympic Games in Athens. WADA is funding research projects aimed at developing a test for autologous transfusions. Edited February 9, 2012 by TNT1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fandacious Posted February 9, 2012 Share Not EPO. There are lower dose synthetic oxygen carriers out there at the moment, and of course, the way Contador got nicked, autologous blood transfusion. Some info for those of you that are bored: There are tests since 2004 for synthetic oxygen carriers, but those are often used in such low doses (which are still effective) and are often ahead of the curve when it comes to testing. What are the different types of blood transfusions for doping? There are two forms of blood doping: autologous and homologous. Autologous blood doping is the transfusion of one’s own blood, which has been stored (refrigerated or frozen) until needed. Homologous blood doping is the transfusion of blood that has been taken from another person with the same blood type. Although the use of blood transfusions for blood doping dates back several decades, its recent resurgence is likely due to the introduction of efficient EPO detection methods. Which forms of transfusions can be detected? A test for homologous blood transfusions (HBT) was implemented at the 2004 Summer Olympic Games in Athens. WADA is funding research projects aimed at developing a test for autologous transfusions. so the stopgap measure is "no needles" but im pretty sure wada/usada/whoever arent putting too much effort into the search for needlemarks on a riders body... I mean, are you gonna stick your nose in some okes groin just after he's finished the alps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissVan Posted February 9, 2012 Share With the way Moreau rode the last couple of seasons, I reckon his Hct is a tad higher these days. Well about 7 or 8 years ago I had some blood tests done by my GP and he told me my Hct was 53, does that make me an EPO user? Nope, probably dehydrated at the time, kind of like most people are after strenous exercise. If I'm not mistaken they cannot reference Hct levels tested during or directly after a stage because of this. BUT I'm not sure when that was implemented, dont think it was like that from the beginning.Just alledging.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT1 Posted February 9, 2012 Share so the stopgap measure is "no needles" Yeah. The no needles thing is laughably un-enforcable. Look, if the riders/teams are daft enough to leave stuff lying around, or make things obvious, the no needles thing makes it easier for WADA to open an investigation, but as you point out, how do they go about looking for needle marks? As an aside, I wonder if, in the process of getting a UCI license, do you as a rider give the UCI/WADA the right to strip search you? I wonder how long it will be before some rider or team really gets behind a human rights defence. I remember Vino made murmurings the once... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT1 Posted February 9, 2012 Share Well about 7 or 8 years ago I had some blood tests done by my GP and he told me my Hct was 53, does that make me an EPO user? Nope, probably dehydrated at the time, kind of like most people are after strenous exercise. If I'm not mistaken they cannot reference Hct levels tested during or directly after a stage because of this. BUT I'm not sure when that was implemented, dont think it was like that from the beginning.Just alledging.... Precisely the point of the "athlete's passport". As there is no test for autologous transfusion, a history of the athlete's hct and blood chemistry is developed, so any anomaly can be investigated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fandacious Posted February 9, 2012 Share Well about 7 or 8 years ago I had some blood tests done by my GP and he told me my Hct was 53, does that make me an EPO user? Nope, probably dehydrated at the time, kind of like most people are after strenous exercise. If I'm not mistaken they cannot reference Hct levels tested during or directly after a stage because of this. BUT I'm not sure when that was implemented, dont think it was like that from the beginning.Just alledging.... mighty mouse also tested a hct of 50+ after one race, but quickly had the issue sorted out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT1 Posted February 9, 2012 Share so the stopgap measure is "no needles" but im pretty sure wada/usada/whoever arent putting too much effort into the search for needlemarks on a riders body... I mean, are you gonna stick your nose in some okes groin just after he's finished the alps?Yeah. The no needles thing is laughably un-enforcable. Look, if the riders/teams are daft enough to leave stuff lying around, or make things obvious, the no needles thing makes it easier for WADA to open an investigation, but as you point out, how do they go about looking for needle marks? As an aside, I wonder if, in the process of getting a UCI license, do you as a rider give the UCI/WADA the right to strip search you? I wonder how long it will be before some rider or team really gets behind a human rights defence. I remember Vino made murmurings the once... Oh, ya, and also, with all the blood samples WADA is taking from the riders, how do they prove that any needle mark they do find isn't from them taking a sample? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fandacious Posted February 9, 2012 Share Oh, ya, and also, with all the blood samples WADA is taking from the riders, how do they prove that any needle mark they do find isn't from them taking a sample? becomes a joke really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissVan Posted February 9, 2012 Share mighty mouse also tested a hct of 50+ after one race, but quickly had the issue sorted out Yeah I remember that.Come to think of it..... at the time I was following a training program from 53x12 which is administered by Dr Ferrari's brother....luckily I'm not being investigated, alledgedly I could be guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fandacious Posted February 9, 2012 Share Yeah I remember that.Come to think of it..... at the time I was following a training program from 53x12 which is administered by Dr Ferrari's brother....luckily I'm not being investigated, alledgedly I could be guilty. cheat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOldGuy Posted February 9, 2012 Share so the stopgap measure is "no needles" but im pretty sure wada/usada/whoever arent putting too much effort into the search for needlemarks on a riders body... I mean, are you gonna stick your nose in some okes groin just after he's finished the alps? I dont think they will look for needle marks, its basically a back up to any legal challenge. So if for instance and athlete tests positive for something, they have him on two counts, (i) the banned substance and (ii) the fact it could only be administered via a needle (intravenously) - one of the transgressions are bound to stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT1 Posted February 10, 2012 Share "I haven’t really paid too much attention to the soap operas surrounding Contador and Armstrong," he said. "It’s been going on for a while and nobody actually really cares about it anymore. Every time you open your mouth about these cases you get a great pile of **** over your head. I like Alberto and I hope that everything turns out ok for him, but that’s all I have to say about it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed Posted May 11, 2012 Share Lance talks about the investigation and the USADA: “I had days where I thought I was ****ed,” he said, then added, “but I always thought the right decision would be made.” Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11835/Lance-Armstrong-appears-to-suggest-he-wont-fight-expected-USADA-doping-case.aspx#ixzz1uXHwQVqi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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