braailegend Posted October 5, 2012 Posted October 5, 2012 Not critting you or trying to be a wise-ass, but generally if you're using your clipped in feet to move the bike around you are doing it wrong. Referring to: "as you can throw the back around easier etc". Same with doing a bunny hop by pulling with your feet. Bike movement and skill is all in your hips and shoulders and how you move your own weight around on the bike. There are MANY advantages to riding with flat pedals...just difficult to explain. Not dissing clipless. For 80% of folk it makes perfect sense. Like with most stuff there is no right or wrong - do what works for you and leave everyone else be, I say. Agreed, if you have to use clippedin pedals to move/bunnyhop your bike, its not the correct manner, but I know most people wont have the time or patience to achieve it with flats, thus in that way it help novices alot.
patches Posted October 5, 2012 Posted October 5, 2012 Like Crow said, 5.10s are in a league of their own! no skate shoe or trail tekkie can compare! seroiusly! It's one of those things like dropper posts. People think it's a lot of money for something that won;t make a big difference... until they try them and are proven wrong. In my 2 years of running 5.10s, I have only slipped a pedl twice. Bth times was from me being stupid. In 2 years I bet even an experienced "cleatist" has more than 2 pedal-shoe related incidents.
G00SE Posted October 5, 2012 Posted October 5, 2012 http://www.pinkbike....lat-Pedals.html All the flats guys, have you read this article? Interesting read.I guess it boils down to personal preference, but in a lot of situations it seems like being clipped in makes sense
braailegend Posted October 5, 2012 Posted October 5, 2012 http://www.pinkbike....lat-Pedals.html All the flats guys, have you read this article? Interesting read.I guess it boils down to personal preference, but in a lot of situations it seems like being clipped in makes sense Read it awhile ago, very good and makes sense, but walking/climbing 2-3km with clipless cant be fun, like the normal DH/freeride bikers do. Think that article is also more race orientated, but can never judge a guy on is choice of pedal, haha...
patches Posted October 5, 2012 Posted October 5, 2012 (edited) http://www.pinkbike....lat-Pedals.html All the flats guys, have you read this article? Interesting read.I guess it boils down to personal preference, but in a lot of situations it seems like being clipped in makes sense yeah, interesting read. But the dominance of clips in DH world cup racing has been evident for years. Sam Hill was the first rider (in the modern age of DH) to win titles and championships on flats. As far as I;m aware, he may still be the only one that has done it. ...but as the article says... that World Cup level racing... Quite an interesting comparison would be to see how many riders at rampage will be wearing clips this weekend?! ...I reckon 5 or less, and chances are the ones that do, will be the DH WC racers. Like you said though... personal preference. Although remember... doing a superman is hard when clipped in haha! Edited October 5, 2012 by patches
deanbean Posted October 5, 2012 Posted October 5, 2012 As a confirmed loooong time clipless user (15+years), I've come to realise that riding clipped in has hampered the development of some bike handling skills, so I've invested in a pair of flatties and fivetens, to try rectify that imbalance.BTY, if asked by a noob I recommend that they ride with flats for at least 6mo before investing in clipless. braailegend 1
Clinton1 Posted October 5, 2012 Posted October 5, 2012 BTY, if asked by a noob I recommend that they ride with flats for at least 6mo before investing in clipless. That's what I did and got ridiculed plenty. Still think it is the right way.
TNT1 Posted October 5, 2012 Posted October 5, 2012 I've come to realise that riding clipped in has hampered the development of some bike handling skills, How so? Surely dabbing your foot down here and there is equal to less skill? I mean, I don't see the top mtb okes dabbing?
deanbean Posted October 5, 2012 Posted October 5, 2012 How so? Surely dabbing your foot down here and there is equal to less skill? I mean, I don't see the top mtb okes dabbing?No Bob, the things like using the compression to bunny hop the bike, and the like, which you don't learn if you ride clipless. Generally long time clipless riders, like me, use the pedals to pull the bike up, and this is the wrong technique. From this I have to basically relearn my bike handling. It's getting there.BTW this doesn't mean that I am cr@p at bike handling, generally I'll ride technically challenging terrain better than 80% of riders, and if my back isn't sore, I'll beat most people down xc-type down-hills. It's when it gets hairy, big drops and doubles and tabletops that my lack of genuine control is exposed.
TNT1 Posted October 5, 2012 Posted October 5, 2012 No Bob, the things like using the compression to bunny hop the bike, and the like, which you don't learn if you ride clipless. Generally long time clipless riders, like me, use the pedals to pull the bike up, and this is the wrong technique. From this I have to basically relearn my bike handling. It's getting there.BTW this doesn't mean that I am cr@p at bike handling, generally I'll ride technically challenging terrain better than 80% of riders, and if my back isn't sore, I'll beat most people down xc-type down-hills. It's when it gets hairy, big drops and doubles and tabletops that my lack of genuine control is exposed. Sorry, but that makes no sense. I'm not saying you are wrong, but it doesn't make sense. Next time I see Burry or someone of that ilk, I'm gonna get their opinion.
braailegend Posted October 5, 2012 Posted October 5, 2012 No Bob, the things like using the compression to bunny hop the bike, and the like, which you don't learn if you ride clipless. Generally long time clipless riders, like me, use the pedals to pull the bike up, and this is the wrong technique. From this I have to basically relearn my bike handling. It's getting there.BTW this doesn't mean that I am cr@p at bike handling, generally I'll ride technically challenging terrain better than 80% of riders, and if my back isn't sore, I'll beat most people down xc-type down-hills. It's when it gets hairy, big drops and doubles and tabletops that my lack of genuine control is exposed. That makes sense..TNT1, maybe spend more time on the bike than less time posting that 26 000+ post, you'll know what he's speaking of
TNT1 Posted October 5, 2012 Posted October 5, 2012 That makes sense..TNT1, maybe spend more time on the bike than less time posting that 26 000+ post, you'll know what he's speaking of No need for that. Like I said, I'm not saying it's wrong, just that I don't understand it. Instead of the snode comment, maybe try explain it? I bet even money I'm not the only one that doesn't get the explanation offered.
braailegend Posted October 5, 2012 Posted October 5, 2012 No need for that. Like I said, I'm not saying it's wrong, just that I don't understand it. Instead of the snode comment, maybe try explain it? I bet even money I'm not the only one that doesn't get the explanation offered. Sorry didnt mean it that way:) is a bit hard to explain. In my early years of biking I used to ride trials/street, and its sort of the bike sticks to you if you move your weight correctly... people that used to ride hard with flats for few years would know the feelin
TNT1 Posted October 5, 2012 Posted October 5, 2012 Snode? I meant snide... And my bike sticks to me cause it sort of mechanically is?
scotty Posted October 5, 2012 Posted October 5, 2012 Started MTB on toe clips and takkies, BIG MISTAKE Switched to open pedals and takkies and rode like that for about a year. Then i saw a pair of MTB shoes going cheap and decided to try them out, fitted SPD pedals and have not looked back since. Don't regret it at all.
patches Posted October 5, 2012 Posted October 5, 2012 (edited) How so? Surely dabbing your foot down here and there is equal to less skill? I mean, I don't see the top mtb okes dabbing?Sorry, but that makes no sense. I'm not saying you are wrong, but it doesn't make sense. Next time I see Burry or someone of that ilk, I'm gonna get their opinion. Bobbert, there is stumbley dabbing like when someone's seat is too wight and they don't know how to dismount... then there's dabbing cos you're railing a berm so low that your hand hairs can feel the dust. Exhibit A http://gp1.pinkbike.org/p4pb2034245/p4pb2034245.jpg Behold, Mr Hill taking a corner in a manner that us mere mortals can only dream about replicating. Please also note his use of flat shoes, and "dabbing"... not because he has less skill, but because he is so low that he would require 2 knee joints in his right leg in order to keep it on the pedal. I would love to see someone replicate this sort of riding whilst being clipped in. Youtube hits are guaranteed. Secondly... as great a rider as he is, there are many far superior to Burry etc when it comes to technical skills. Some of the greatest technically skilled riders, ride flats... and Five Tens at that. Just watch someone like Chris Akrigg or Danny MacCaskill. Yes, they are considered "Trials Riders", but when one sees the times they put in at events like Megavalanche (Akrigg) or even "The August" (MacCasklill did a 3:15 on a borrowed bike... better than 90% of the hubbers who ride it), then one can see how their technical skill (founded on flat pedals) translates into everything they do. So again, as Crow has said, cleats can assist with bike control, but a great rider will not have to rely on them to do so. A great rider will use cleats for the pedal efficiency aspect. Edited October 6, 2012 by patches Dirty Sanchez, braailegend and Iwan Kemp 3
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