Thorn199 Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 Disappeared. Lets hope not by rendition back to the US, and that he resurfaces in Equador/Venezuela etc http://www.news24.com/World/News/Mystery-as-Snowden-vanishes-in-Moscow-20130624
GrumpyOldGuy Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 Disappeared. Lets hope not by rendition back to the US, and that he resurfaces in Equador/Venezuela etc http://www.news24.co...Moscow-20130624 Yah, I hope so. I dont really have a "dog in the fight" either way, but I would kinda like to see him safe for the immediate future anyway, I guess we will have to wait and see. I am surprised that he disappeared so easily though, I understand he remained in the transit lounge in Moscow,... not real easy to disappear from there, .........but I think the Cuba flight was a smokescreen, or at least I hope so.
Tumbleweed Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 Disappeared. Lets hope not by rendition back to the US, and that he resurfaces in Equador/Venezuela etc http://www.news24.co...Moscow-20130624 I've been reading some reports on this this morning. The general consensus seems to be that China and Russia are more likely to have collaborated on this, than any agreement between the Russians and the US.
GrumpyOldGuy Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 (edited) I've been reading some reports on this this morning. The general consensus seems to be that China and Russia are more likely to have collaborated on this, than any agreement between the Russians and the US. Yes, no doubt, Russia especially. Putin is always keen to put one over on the US. I think China just wanted to get rid of Snowden and they still pull the political strings in Hong Kong for sure, but they have a lot to lose if relations with the US sour so I think they turned a blind eye to him leaving, but I can assure you, they wont let him back. Edited June 25, 2013 by GrumpyOldGuy
Tumbleweed Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 Yes, no doubt, Russia especially. Putin is always keen to put one over on the US. I think China just wanted to get rid of Snowden and they still pull the political strings in Hong Kong for sure, but they have a lot to lose if relations with the US sour so I think they turned a blind eye to him leaving, but I can assure you, they wont let him back. There are two ways of looking at that. I think Hong Kong acceded to or caved in to Chinese pressure. They don't want to peeve the mainland right now. China is flexing its muscles big time in the region right now. The US is unlikely to push for any sort of punishment over either Russia or China right now. They need their cooperation on the Syrian issue. Also, Snowden's revelations about the special bunker to spy on China was embarrassing, considering all the trouble the US was giving China of its alleged cyberhacking programme aimed at the States.
GrumpyOldGuy Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 There are two ways of looking at that. I think Hong Kong acceded to or caved in to Chinese pressure. They don't want to peeve the mainland right now. China is flexing its muscles big time in the region right now. The US is unlikely to push for any sort of punishment over either Russia or China right now. They need their cooperation on the Syrian issue. Also, Snowden's revelations about the special bunker to spy on China was embarrassing, considering all the trouble the US was giving China of its alleged cyberhacking programme aimed at the States. Oh, absolutely, the Chinese are outraged over the spying issue, but its becoming a game of nerves now, see who will flinch first, I see China has now come out with a strongly worded release saying the US comments are "groundless and unacceptable". Over to Obama.......
GrumpyOldGuy Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 Well, I see SKY news is reporting that President Putin is saying Snowden is still in the capsule hotel in Moscow Airport and he need not worry, Russia will NOT extradite him. Strong words by President Putin, very blunt too, "Russia will not extradite Snowden" ... seems he may be living in Russia from now on.............. its not Hawaii I guess, but certainly better than Ecuador.
kosmonooit Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 At least there is a hotel and he is not stuck in the transit lounge, a fate worse than death.
GrumpyOldGuy Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 At least there is a hotel and he is not stuck in the transit lounge, a fate worse than death. Yah, those little capsule rooms are small, but you have everything you need and at least he can take a shower and sleep on a bed. Going to be interesting to see how this shapes up, Russia is definitely baiting here, but it at least gets China out of the firing line.
FeK9 Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 This thread started out as a discussion about the pro's & con's ofthe 'Anonymous movement',.. The Snowden saga thoe it might appear similar, it is some else entirely... Both have there pro's & con's...
Tumbleweed Posted June 26, 2013 Posted June 26, 2013 Oh, absolutely, the Chinese are outraged over the spying issue, but its becoming a game of nerves now, see who will flinch first, I see China has now come out with a strongly worded release saying the US comments are "groundless and unacceptable". Over to Obama....... Ja, indeed! Hahahahaha! He has the Chen Guangcheng issue hanging over his administration's head.
DJR Posted June 26, 2013 Posted June 26, 2013 (edited) At least there is a hotel and he is not stuck in the transit lounge, a fate worse than death.I'd rather face the FBI/CIA/NSA and their interrogators/enforcers/eliminators bare handed with my pants round my ankles than stay in any airport lounge! Edited June 26, 2013 by DJR
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