Ozone therapy

[jcza]

Ok, enough of work, lets ride bikes, or at least talk about them

 

THATS MY POINT I WANT TO RIDE BUT MY KNEE IS EINNA I AM LOOKING FOR WAYS TO HEAL SOONER

 

PS THIS IS IN TRAINING/HEALTH/NUTRITION SECTION

 

Have you need to the doctor??

[DIPSLICK]

What's wrong with your knee?

apparently this helps a lot with inflammation and swelling

[beanz]

Are you crazy!?

This is the largest amount of nonsense i have read in a long while!

H2O2 IV will kill you in seconds!

 

Please sir, share your qualifications with us!? Because I am sure you have none!

 

I never claimed to have any special qualifications but I have at least tried some of these therapies, unlike some of those in this thread who are crying quackery but have probably never actually put it to the test. They have actually had a positive benefit, and in a particular case helped massively.

And they certainly didn't do me any harm - nothing crazy about me - I'm still here live alive and well! So where's the nonsense?

H2O2 drip is a drip not an injection. It's a slow drip of H2O2 mixed in saline in the appropriate concentration. Of course pure H2O2 would be highly corrosive and probably kill you in seconds.

So which ones have you tried? And what are your special qualifications?

Edited December 9, 2013 by beanz

[Guest Latent Blue]

Here youll find all you need to know.

 

If you would like the complete pdf of any article I might be able to get it.

[DIPSLICK]

Have you need to the doctor??

 

oom been to a few, just want them to agree before i will let them cut on me,,,,,,2 of the surgeons say wait,,,and 2 say CUT CUT CUT so i am playing the bang gat card and trying anything

[V12man]

Have you need to the doctor??

 

He has been to a few - and at least 1 VERY reputable one... now he needs a psychiatrist - for some anti depressants... beer does not seem to be working for him anymore...

 

Dips - take 1 tot Lagavulin hourly till you type in lowercase... that will help....

[Memnon]

If this does go to the polls - I vote "quackery / snake oil / rhino horn"...

 

Just for interest, what does a session cost and how many sessions are recommended?

[Guest Latent Blue]

CUT CUT CUT

knee surgery is also not a lekker thing...

Good luck!

[Cellar]

oom been to a few, just want them to agree before i will let them cut on me,,,,,,2 of the surgeons say wait,,,and 2 say CUT CUT CUT so i am playing the bang gat card and trying anything

 

Well, they are cutters, and are trying to sell you their most expensive product...

 

I'd suggest find a (famous) sports person that had the same or similar injury and and what they did?

[jcza]

Phone this oke

 

Dr. Hans-Wilhelm Muller-Wolffarht, I understand he is quite good. He injects lambs blood, stuff extracted from cockerels, honey etc.

 

You might have to fly to Germany to see him.

 

EDIT: Link - http://mw-oc.com/en/Dr-MW.htm

Edited December 9, 2013 by jcza

[Cellar]

knee surgery is also not a lekker thing...

 

 

I've had some before. :cursing: :cursing:

[DIPSLICK]

He has been to a few - and at least 1 VERY reputable one... now he needs a psychiatrist - for some anti depressants... beer does not seem to be working for him anymore...

 

Dips - take 1 tot Lagavulin hourly till you type in lowercase... that will help....

 

sir yes sir,,,,,,this waiting around getting lazy/useless/fat/ is making me bos,,,,,,,,,,AND IT WAS 2 VERY GOOD DRS

 

AND 2 not sooo much :whistling:

[beanz]

Hereyoull find all you need to know.

 

If you would like the complete pdf of any article I might be able to get it.

 

Well the first one I looked at in your link sounded pretty damn encouraging to me. Here we're talking about patients with failed back surgery.

 

 

INTRODUCTION:

In the last two decades, ozone has emerged as a treatment for low back pain, applied by means of minimally invasive techniques.

 

OBJECTIVE:

The aim of this study is to assess the effect and safety of ozone therapy applied in the epidural space for chronic pain related to failed back surgery syndrome.

 

METHODS:

The investigators studied 13 sequential patients of both sexes, between 18 and 70 years old, with persistent chronic pain (more than six months) in the lumbar region and in the lower limbs related to failed back surgery syndrome (FBSS). Pain was classified as neuropathic and non-neuropathic regarding the topography (lumbar and lower limb), based on the DN4 (Douleur Neuropathique 4) questionnaire. The patients received theozone gas in the lumbar epidural space via spinal-sacral endoscopy. Clinical evaluation was performed before, immediately after (24 hours), and 1, 3, and 6 months after intervention with visual analog scale and Oswestry Disability Index (ODI).

 

RESULTS:

Overall, the patients had 43.7% reduction of lumbar pain, 60.9% reduction in leg pain in six months followed by 44.0% of improvement in ODI. The reduction of pain and in the disability index was markedly greater in patients with non-neuropathic predominant pain, 95.2%, 80.6%, and 75.3% improvement in lumbar, leg pain, and ODI respectively, while neuropathic predominant pain patients experienced only 12.5%, 42.4%, and 20.9% improvement, also respectively. No neurological or infectious complications were observed acutely or during the follow-up. The present data suggests that epidural ozone might be a therapeutic option for persistent low back pain, especially in non-neuropathic predominant pain patients, but double-blind controlled studies are still required to prove its efficacy.

[DIPSLICK]

you know what the problem is you speak to enough people and you will find 20 OPINIONS on 1 specific surgeon and in the mean time i havent rode in 3 months,,,,,,

I AM JUST VAAAARKING IRRITATED

[Memnon]

Well the first one I looked at in your link sounded pretty damn encouraging to me. Here we're talking about patients with failed back surgery.

 

 

INTRODUCTION:

In the last two decades, ozone has emerged as a treatment for low back pain, applied by means of minimally invasive techniques.

 

OBJECTIVE:

The aim of this study is to assess the effect and safety of ozone therapy applied in the epidural space for chronic pain related to failed back surgery syndrome.

 

METHODS:

The investigators studied 13 sequential patients of both sexes, ...

 

...required to prove its efficacy.

 

No double blind and 13 is not really an adequate sample size. Plus, if we are bordering on this fringe then they should know that 13 is just plain unlucky!

[Guest Latent Blue]

I've had some before. :cursing: :cursing:

 

Yep... to be quite honest... I am not the biggest fan of orthopedic surgery. Don't get me wrong, the improve millions of lives... but they also ruin quite a few (especially when it comes to knees!)...

 

I have been an assistant in quite a few ops... lets just say i hope i never need an orthopod