s14phoenix Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 I still say the stock suspension is ok but if you are having problems with it fix it or then change it.I Would change the wheels if stock.Heavy cassette is crap on stock 2014 also.Then see what else you need.biggest impact on any bike is better wheels especially if the stock wheels are crap.
Jakkals77 Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 I have too many bikes, but If I could choose only 2, it would be a 650b trail bike and a 29r hardtail. So go get yourself a 29r XTC. It's a new year, you deserve another bike.I agree. Im currently in the same boat with my Camber. Looking for a xc hard tailfor those gravel road rides with the club on Sundays and those long uphill climbs. The Giant XTC Advanced looks like a good second bike to have. The Silverback Storm 2 is also a good option for around the 23k to 25k mark. With those two bikes in your garage you have all the bike you would ever need.....????????✨....????????????
Showtime Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 The problem with the upgrades are that you then have all this stuff lying around. Suddenly you wake up and you are a frame away from another bike, but not another bike you desire (something different). I am talking from experience here. Minimize upgrades because most are not going to transform your bike (slx to xt for example). I say buy a dropper and put the rest into savings for your next bike or spend it travelling to trails and accumulating memories.
DanielJhb Posted January 9, 2015 Author Posted January 9, 2015 Very good points here. I'd still suggest a dropper as minimum though.There's a second hand rockshox rev 2014 140mm going for 4250, much difference to the fox 32 ctd in terms of performance?
DanielJhb Posted January 9, 2015 Author Posted January 9, 2015 I agree. Im currently in the same boat with my Camber. Looking for a xc hard tailfor those gravel road rides with the club on Sundays and those long uphill climbs. The Giant XTC Advanced looks like a good second bike to have. The Silverback Storm 2 is also a good option for around the 23k to 25k mark. With those two bikes in your garage you have all the bike you would ever need.....✨....What does the xtc go for?
Peach. Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 I live in Jhb. Currently ride a trance 2014 X2, if you had 15k to spend would you buy a second hand anthem or upgrade the trance (fork, dropper post, xt groupset)? I built up a Cotic Soul a few months back. Really awesome bike and was great to ride but I found I was scared to have fun on it.I enjoy jumping and playing on a bike so I like to know that I can trust it, the XC bike was a bit too lighweight.So I decided to sell it and just do my occasional training on my 2011 Trance, then I get to enjoy the fun stuff no worries. Its a bit heavy but rides really well. If I were you I would get a dropper post, no need to replace the rest unless it is worn out or doesn't work. Unless you are a hardcore XC racer or do marathons there is no need for a XC bike.
Bizkit031 Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 I built up a Cotic Soul a few months back. Really awesome bike and was great to ride but I found I was scared to have fun on it.I enjoy jumping and playing on a bike so I like to know that I can trust it, the XC bike was a bit too lighweight.So I decided to sell it and just do my occasional training on my 2011 Trance, then I get to enjoy the fun stuff no worries. Its a bit heavy but rides really well. If I were you I would get a dropper post, no need to replace the rest unless it is worn out or doesn't work. Unless you are a hardcore XC racer or do marathons there is no need for a XC bike. The extra weight will make you fitter.
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 There's a second hand rockshox rev 2014 140mm going for 4250, much difference to the fox 32 ctd in terms of performance?YES!!! HUGE difference. For one, no brake dive. For 2, it's a RS. for 3 - the Rev is one of RS's best forks ever. For 4 - it's not a Fox Crap Tastic Department fork. Which version is it though?
Jakkals77 Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 What does the xtc go for?[/quoteI can get one for 25 000 South African Rand
rudi-h Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 I think that 99% of MTBers fall for this whole light and fast racing geometry bullshyte and then buy anthems, epics, scalpels and sparks. the problem is this: on all of these bikes your geometry is way forward which means 3 things: 1) Your weight is always on your front wheel, so you are very prone to OTB crashes if things go wrong - read broken collar bone2) Due to the same phenomenon, people are likely to corner poorly because too much weight on your front wheel means your wheel will wash out when you try to corner too fast.3) You need to be VERY skilled to lift the front of an XC/Marathon bike for the purpose of a bunnyhop or a manual, therefore virtually nobody who only owns a XC/Marathon bike will ever be able to master these (essential) skills. A trail bike on the other hand is easy to learn to ride properly and your chances of flying over your bars when you do something stupid is much less. Downsides of a trail bike you may ask. Other than being maybe 1% slower, there are no downsides. I own a trail bike now (after having 3 XC bikes) and I would NEVER go back. Not even for the latest and greatest R150k spez epic s-works.
Jakkals77 Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 I think that 99% of MTBers fall for this whole light and fast racing geometry bullshyte and then buy anthems, epics, scalpels and sparks. the problem is this: on all of these bikes your geometry is way forward which means 3 things: 1) Your weight is always on your front wheel, so you are very prone to OTB crashes if things go wrong - read broken collar bone2) Due to the same phenomenon, people are likely to corner poorly because too much weight on your front wheel means your wheel will wash out when you try to corner too fast.3) You need to be VERY skilled to lift the front of an XC/Marathon bike for the purpose of a bunnyhop or a manual, therefore virtually nobody who only owns a XC/Marathon bike will ever be able to master these (essential) skills. A trail bike on the other hand is easy to learn to ride properly and your chances of flying over your bars when you do something stupid is much less. Downsides of a trail bike you may ask. Other than being maybe 1% slower, there are no downsides. I own a trail bike now (after having 3 XC bikes) and I would NEVER go back. Not even for the latest and greatest R150k spez epic s-works.Yip, what you say is correct....but.... a 29er carbon hard tail will always outperform a carbon dual suspension trail bike on Breedtnek for instance. One needs to look at the type of riding you enjoy and buy the weapon that puts a smile on your face for the riding that you do and enjoy.
Peach. Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 Yip, what you say is correct....but.... a 29er carbon hard tail will always outperform a carbon dual suspension trail bike on Breedtnek for instance. One needs to look at the type of riding you enjoy and buy the weapon that puts a smile on your face for the riding that you do and enjoy. Form the stories I have heard I don't know why anyone would even consider riding Breedsnek, it just sounds horrible.But yes, everyone likes different things and 29ers are perfect for dirt road
rudi-h Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 Yip, what you say is correct....but.... a 29er carbon hard tail will always outperform a carbon dual suspension trail bike on Breedtnek for instance. One needs to look at the type of riding you enjoy and buy the weapon that puts a smile on your face for the riding that you do and enjoy. true. but I'll bet good money that nobody on the hub knows how much faster a 29er carbon hard tail will be (in seconds or minutes) than a carbon 650B trail bike on a climb like breedtsnek... my feeling (having owned both types of bikes) are that the difference is much smaller than one would expect or imagine. everybody seems to think that a racing HT will shave tens of minutes off of your riding time which is NOT the case. PS I am yet to meet the guy that will have a bigger smile on his face going down breedtsnek with a 80mm racing hardtail than with a Nomad.
Jakkals77 Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 Yip it is terrible on a dual sus trail bike, but it builds strength...????. Id love to know if a person would be faster and would he/she enjoy it more?
s14phoenix Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 I think that 99% of MTBers fall for this whole light and fast racing geometry bullshyte and then buy anthems, epics, scalpels and sparks. the problem is this: on all of these bikes your geometry is way forward which means 3 things: 1) Your weight is always on your front wheel, so you are very prone to OTB crashes if things go wrong - read broken collar bone2) Due to the same phenomenon, people are likely to corner poorly because too much weight on your front wheel means your wheel will wash out when you try to corner too fast.3) You need to be VERY skilled to lift the front of an XC/Marathon bike for the purpose of a bunnyhop or a manual, therefore virtually nobody who only owns a XC/Marathon bike will ever be able to master these (essential) skills. A trail bike on the other hand is easy to learn to ride properly and your chances of flying over your bars when you do something stupid is much less. Downsides of a trail bike you may ask. Other than being maybe 1% slower, there are no downsides. I own a trail bike now (after having 3 XC bikes) and I would NEVER go back. Not even for the latest and greatest R150k spez epic s-works. Errrrr I dunno... I went over the bars last week on my Trance quite easily... especially after a jump before a corner that I did not see which has a treestump on the outside which I could not brake for in time and was too late and too big to attempt a save myself bunnyhop over it... on points 1 2 and 3 I was unable to detect your sarcasm but hope the XC boys don't come knocking with the flamethrowers But seriously for just "fun" non racing type riding a trail style bike is much more fun but if you are looking to compete in XC events etc then a XC style bike is for you. Pick the tool for the job you want to do. Don't take a butter knife to a chainsaw fight
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