Craigwt Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Hey All, Its seems that the low speed compression dial on my Pike might not be working... I was doing the front brake test while playing around with the dial (I would like to get the front not to dive when braking). I tried it at fully open and fully closed pulling the front brake at various speeds and strengths, it all seemed to behave exactly the same, same amount of dive, at the same speed. Should there be a very noticeable change in the forks behaviour, or is the effect perhaps so subtle that I might have missed it? Does anyone else have a pike? Does this sound right?
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Yes there should be a difference. How old is it? If under a year, take it to be warrantied. If over, take it to Droo...
Craigwt Posted January 13, 2015 Author Posted January 13, 2015 Its under a year, I think. But bought through someone on the hub who imports them. Not sure there is warranty Will probably have to take it to droo if I don't come right...
Guest DieBees Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 I thought i got lost on a fishing forum. Knowledge is power.
Iwan Kemp Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Hey All, Its seems that the low speed compression dial on my Pike might not be working... I was doing the front brake test while playing around with the dial (I would like to get the front not to dive when braking). I tried it at fully open and fully closed pulling the front brake at various speeds and strengths, it all seemed to behave exactly the same, same amount of dive, at the same speed. Should there be a very noticeable change in the forks behaviour, or is the effect perhaps so subtle that I might have missed it? Does anyone else have a pike? Does this sound right?There should be a noticeable difference. Even a couple of clicks makes enough of difference to feel on the bike. Have you tried adding some of the Tokens? Its under a year, I think. But bought through someone on the hub who imports them. Not sure there is warranty Will probably have to take it to droo if I don't come right...You won't have local warranty on it. If it comes down to it your best bet will be to take it to Stoke.
Johny Bravo Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Do you have the rc or rc3. I have the rc, mine also doesnt make a huge difference when adjusting the dial. Maybe you are running too little psi in the fork. A mate of mine has the rc3, the one with the 3 settings, that seems to make more of a change when adjusting, but its also only a slight change.
Craigwt Posted January 13, 2015 Author Posted January 13, 2015 There should be a noticeable difference. Even a couple of clicks makes enough of difference to feel on the bike. Have you tried adding some of the Tokens? You won't have local warranty on it. If it comes down to it your best bet will be to take it to Stoke. Dam, I totally even forgot about the tokens, saw them laying in my draw the other day. Will see what effect they have. I assume this will have no effect on the LS comp dial working/ not working. Do you thin too low PSI could effect the LS comp dial? Do you have the rc or rc3. I have the rc, mine also doesnt make a huge difference when adjusting the dial. Maybe you are running too little psi in the fork. A mate of mine has the rc3, the one with the 3 settings, that seems to make more of a change when adjusting, but its also only a slight change. I have the RC3... changing between the three main settings makes a huge difference. Just the LS Comp dial isn't doing much, if anything. I will play around with the PSI and Tokens tonight. See what I can come up with. I remember with a lyric I had a while ago the ls comp dial made a significant difference from fully open to fully closed.
Iwan Kemp Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Dam, I totally even forgot about the tokens, saw them laying in my draw the other day. Will see what effect they have. I assume this will have no effect on the LS comp dial working/ not working. Do you thin too low PSI could effect the LS comp dial? I have the RC3... changing between the three main settings makes a huge difference. Just the LS Comp dial isn't doing much, if anything. I will play around with the PSI and Tokens tonight. See what I can come up with. I remember with a lyric I had a while ago the ls comp dial made a significant difference from fully open to fully closed. Tokens help with ramp-up so in effect will assist LSC. LSC is only supposed to make a difference to LOW SPEED compression. Sounds obvious, but something worth keeping in mind.
Iwan Kemp Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Found a pic that will help understandhttp://fcdn.mtbr.com/attachments/shocks-suspension/865027d1390761251-2014-pike-bottomless-tokens-feedback-rs-tokens.jpg And shamelessly copied from Bikerumor.com"RockShox Bottomless Tokens may sound like great news at an arcade, but they’re actually a pretty nifty form of adjustment for compatible forks. Introduced with the new Pike, Bottomless tokens are compatible with the Solo Air versions of the pike and allow you to custom tune the bottom out resistance of the fork. By reducing the air volume of the air spring, the progression of the air spring is increased which in turn increases the amount of force needed to bottom out the fork. This isn’t one of those suspension adjustments that takes a chest of specialized tools and a degree in suspension tuning though. One of the best features of the Bottomless Tokens is how easy they are to install – simply let the air out of the fork, unscrew the top cap, and install the tokens. No messing with oil, seals, crush washers, just a bit of grease and simple shop tools."
Capricorn Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 i'll probably get flamed for this, but rockshox has notoriously 'light' low speed damping,often compensated for by riders who make the fork more progressive by upgrading to stiffer coils or increasing the air spring pressure, turning what should be a controlled, supple suspension into a nervous chattery, handshattering riding experience. On my boxxer, I modified the shimstack to provide more low and mid compression damping. Made a world of a difference by allowing me to reduce air spring pressure. The ride was firmer, but more controlled without the harsher ride quality that increased air pressure tends to cause. LSC and the effect of adding tokens are not to be confused, albeit they do combine for an overall effect. For instance, even with zero LSC, the effect of changing air pressure or adding more tokens to effectively reduce the air volume within the fork, will be exactly the same. As mentioned above, the standard approach to poor compression damping is to increase the spring rate (increase air pressure/reduce air volume with tokens/add in a stronger coil in coilsprung systems). Increasing the spring rate stiffens up the whole range of fork travel, as opposed to LSC which only kicks in when fork shaft speed is within a certain range like hitting berms or the compression that occurs when riding up a jump's take-off. Maybe at some point, i'll dick around with the shimstack on my pike.http://cdn.mos.bikeradar.com/images/news/2013/04/04/1365083428643-1n8kwyu8vj39w-700-80.jpg In your case Craig, have you checked your air pressure?But it might even be simpler than that: devon from Action Cycling once advised, after describing 'problems' i'd been having with my suspension, that i need to see a shrink instead. hhahaha sometimes, depending on your mindset on the day, a bike can act really strange, and then the very next, without any changes to the bike, it performs flawlessly. Devon has a point
Craigwt Posted January 20, 2015 Author Posted January 20, 2015 ... Have you tried adding some of the Tokens? ...Found a pic that will help understand...In your case Craig, have you checked your air pressure? **** guys, thanks so much! I added a bottomless token, and quite a bit of PSI to front and back. I have only been on one test ride but so far the difference is insanely good. The fork is now sitting much higher in the travel and doesn't blow through the travel like it used to (due to my really poor initial setup), but it still feels plush both small and bigger hits. The other place where I stuffed it up a bit I reckon it too little PSI in the back. With this monarch plus, going from 150 psi to 190psi makes very little difference in sag (probably 32%-29%). So I originally set about 30% sag and went on my way... This left the shock at 150 which was just way too low. I upped it to 190. These changes made a huge difference. Should have done it ages ago, I was just too dam lazy to tinker... haha.... Anyways, just thought I would share... and say thanks for the help!!!
Brawler Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 A question for those of you with a Pike. Mine has been brilliant up until now but I got the bike back from the LBS the other day (group set upgrades) and now it feels like there is an initial bit of play or drop before the actual suspension kicks in. Noticed it first ride but I guess I'm going to have a hard time proving anything.The pressure and the sag is the same, its just that initial few mm that seems to not be right. If I put the bike upside down it can be easily felt and it seems like the fork is only using 157mm of travel or so, the other 3mm doesn't even pop back up unless pull on it. It may only be 3mm or whatever but its annoying when I feel it.
Goblin Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 Local guys don't have the rockshox recommended oil for a pike. Mine is also due for a service but I couldn't get 0w30 from anyone. waiting on my lbs to get the right stuff before I mess around with it. Ask your mech what oil he used,maybe that's why it's gone out of whack.
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