Surge Batwing 2000 lm Bike Light

[Shebeen]

I got 7hrs of perfectly meaningful brightness, my problem is that they advertised up to 12hrs, which is what I want.

I'm confused as to why you would need 12hrs of runtime?

 

if you ride all night. then you got ZERO left for the next night. (i'm not talking about battery capacity here, but i could be!)

[johannrissik]

It was enough to comfortably see where I was riding. The light colour isn't harsh white. No idea how many lumen.

[pedal menace]

I have no idea what 6600mAh means. What is then a decent battery?  One must also look at the voltage as well so not all batteries will run the same lights. Also it is being asked why one would want 12 hours? It is cumbersome to take my battery off every second day to charge it in order to ride my bike in the mornings. My Ryder lasts me easily two weeks with 3 morning rides a week at an avgt of 80mins per ride. That makes me happy! The surge lasts ONE ride and will not survive the second. As such I need to charge it every night! That is pathetic! 

[TheJ]

Proud owner of an Extreme Lights XP7. Wife also has one. Its f#kin bright. Motorists hate me.

[pedal menace]

I have also discovered the surge drains the battery whilst connected. I guess all lights do that to some degree, the surge just MUCH more. 

 

My options are:

1. Buy an extreme light (xp3 looks awesome but expensive);

2. Buy another ryder centauri. It has proven itself over the last 3 years;

3. Hope someone here can tell me if the extreme light battery will drive the surge light and if so, will I get better battery life?

[Godzilla]

I have the MagicShine light (1000 lumens) that i bought years ago and it is great !

Not sure the battery charge will last 7 hours on brightest setting....but damn it works well and will get at least 3-4 hrs on full brightness.

[johannrissik]

I'm confused as to why you would need 12hrs of runtime?

 

if you ride all night. then you got ZERO left for the next night. (i'm not talking about battery capacity here, but i could be!)

Won't often need 12hrs of available light, but thinking ahead to RASA and implications of beurtkrag, I thought it would be prudent. Jack Z and his Eksdom mates are not going to get in my way.

[extremelights]

My feite kry ek op dieselfde URL wat jy stuur wat dit duidelik stel dat die VS Extreme Light battery net 4 ure gaan hou op medium. Dus vir R650 kry jy wat jy kry..nie baie ure nie. Ek kan jou verseker die ryder lig gaan BAIE meer ure gee as jy op medium hardloop. Dus R1125 beter in my opinie. 

 

Moenie my verkeerd verstaan nie, Extreme Lights maak vrek goeie ligte. Seker die beste wat daar is, by verre!! Ek dink net vir n lig wat soortgelyk as die Ryder "perform" in terme van ure sal Extreme Lights duurder wees. Die battery gaan heel waarskynlik langer hou in terme van sy totale leeftyd, ek stry nie! Maar dan my ryder is nou al in sy 3de jaar en werk nog soos n bom! 

Hi Pedal 

thanks for the support, Just need to point out that you are not comparing apples with apples when you are saying we are expensive.

 

the  Ryder Centauri is rated 1000 lumen for 4h. and it cost R1125. what they are not telling you is that the 1000 lumen is just a made up number and if measured you will see it starts bright(800 lumen) and then drops over time to about 1/2 that. 

 

The light that would compare would be the XP1 which normally cost R1200 but is on sale now for R995. It is measured at 980 Lumen according to the ANSI-NEMA FL-1 Standard. Its runtime on high is 3h and does not get less bright. It has a mid mode and a low mode which does 400 lumen for 10h and 180 lumen for 40h The low mode is very usable. The XP1 uses the Cree XP-L led which is 2 generations better than the XM-L in the Ryder Centauri.

 

Just something interesting. We no longer rate maximum theoretical numbers. Our factory has two integrating spheres  that are calibrated. We also have one uncalibrated sphere in South Africa that we use to compare lights.  An integrating sphere is used to measure lumens. 

 

http://www.extremelights.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/20150420_112427-2.jpg

Here is me next to the two spheres

 

 

People are comparing our measured lumens with over marketed number from our competitors. I think that is why there is a perception that we are expensive. 

[extremelights]

yes I were a moon bag when I go to China. 

[Shebeen]

Hi Pedal

thanks for the support, Just need to point out that you are not comparing apples with apples when you are saying we are expensive.

 

the Ryder Centauri is rated 1000 lumen for 4h. and it cost R1125. what they are not telling you is that the 1000 lumen is just a made up number and if measured you will see it starts bright(800 lumen) and then drops over time to about 1/2 that.

 

The light that would compare would be the XP1 which normally cost R1200 but is on sale now for R995. It is measured at 980 Lumen according to the ANSI-NEMA FL-1 Standard. Its runtime on high is 3h and does not get less bright. It has a mid mode and a low mode which does 400 lumen for 10h and 180 lumen for 40h The low mode is very usable. The XP1 uses the Cree XP-L led which is 2 generations better than the XM-L in the Ryder Centauri.

 

Just something interesting. We no longer rate maximum theoretical numbers. Our factory has two integrating spheres that are calibrated. We also have one uncalibrated sphere in South Africa that we use to compare lights. An integrating sphere is used to measure lumens.

 

http://www.extremelights.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/20150420_112427-2.jpg

Here is me next to the two spheres

 

 

People are comparing our measured lumens with over marketed number from our competitors. I think that is why there is a perception that we are expensive.

lighting PORN!

[Shebeen]

Hi Pedal

thanks for the support, Just need to point out that you are not comparing apples with apples when you are saying we are expensive.

 

the Ryder Centauri is rated 1000 lumen for 4h. and it cost R1125. what they are not telling you is that the 1000 lumen is just a made up number and if measured you will see it starts bright(800 lumen) and then drops over time to about 1/2 that.

 

The light that would compare would be the XP1 which normally cost R1200 but is on sale now for R995. It is measured at 980 Lumen according to the ANSI-NEMA FL-1 Standard. Its runtime on high is 3h and does not get less bright. It has a mid mode and a low mode which does 400 lumen for 10h and 180 lumen for 40h The low mode is very usable. The XP1 uses the Cree XP-L led which is 2 generations better than the XM-L in the Ryder Centauri.

 

Just something interesting. We no longer rate maximum theoretical numbers. Our factory has two integrating spheres that are calibrated. We also have one uncalibrated sphere in South Africa that we use to compare lights. An integrating sphere is used to measure lumens.

 

http://www.extremelights.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/20150420_112427-2.jpg

Here is me next to the two spheres

 

 

People are comparing our measured lumens with over marketed number from our competitors. I think that is why there is a perception that we are expensive.

lighting PORN!

[pedal menace]

Thank you very much for the informative feedback. I will be honest that I am (and probably most other people to) not in a position to do an apple with apple comparison. Hence we as the "uninformed" tend to use the sales numbers (or specs) as input to make a decision, how true it may or may not be. I was convinced the surge light (based on given specs) would be perfect and although very bright it is utterly useless in my opinion. Just a pity I had to buy it first to learn that lesson. You made the statement that the XP1 compares with the Ryder. Now I have no way of knowing that, I have to take your word. What you say is compelling and I have no reason to doubt you whatsoever.  My general perception is that most lights on low is not ideal for dark riding. Hence I did not consider the XP1 and assumed on med or high will drain the battery very quickly. If there is one thing I generally tend not to belief anymore, it is the hours the product manufacturers claim. I am yet to see anyone delivering what they claim. We make assumptions I know (guilty) and then hope we get real life feedback from actual users of the product in order to make an informative decision. I have now ordered yet another light (a CWC special) and again found that the battery is not the same size or quality as the Ryder. So I bought two lights now not entirely living up to what I hoped it would be. The money spent so far would have covered your XP1 easily..but then I again need to trust what you are saying :-)...Tough decision. 

[Cycle Worx LBN]

I just purchased this light and I am very disappointed. Make no mistake when running at HIGH (2000lm) it is very bright. However I run it moistly on MED. The battery lasts around 2 hours. That is terrible and is completely different than what the spec states (around 10 hours).  

If you bought it new, did you take it back to the retailer? The supplier is very good and will have it replaced if there are issues.

[Cycle Worx LBN]

Currently waiting for the Surge people to call me.

 

I am reliably informed that a 6000mAh battery should give way more than 7 hours on low.

 

The Surge Batwing retails for R900 with a battery that claims to do max 12hrs on low.

The suppliers are De Wet Sports 021 551 5228 http://www.dewetsports.co.za, feel free to give them a call.

 

Your LBS should be the contact with them, however if you are having a problem, please email me a proof of payment cycleworxlbn@gmail.com and I will see how I could perhaps help.

 

If you contact De Wet Sports, please speak with Natasha, she will direct you to the right person.

[Cycle Worx LBN]

I wish I'd read this before buying this light.

 

Fully charged to power out = 7hrs on the lowest setting (they claim up to 12hrs)

 

Straight back to where it came from.

 

I need a light that can do 12 hrs at about 400 lumen, I'm riding a bike, not landing a plane.

 

Any advice?

 

Hi 

 

There are some factors that could influence battery drain:

 

1) please check your plug contact points make sure they are clean and the contact points of the battery to the light, if there is any dirt in any form this can inhibit battery charge power and also battery drain.

 

2) please also understand that variables such as temperature fluctuations can affect battery output. Colder temperatures will affect battery power and drain the battery a lot quicker than it is rated.

 

Kind Regards

[extremelights]

Thank you very much for the informative feedback. I will be honest that I am (and probably most other people to) not in a position to do an apple with apple comparison. Hence we as the "uninformed" tend to use the sales numbers (or specs) as input to make a decision, how true it may or may not be. I was convinced the surge light (based on given specs) would be perfect and although very bright it is utterly useless in my opinion. Just a pity I had to buy it first to learn that lesson. You made the statement that the XP1 compares with the Ryder. Now I have no way of knowing that, I have to take your word. What you say is compelling and I have no reason to doubt you whatsoever.  My general perception is that most lights on low is not ideal for dark riding. Hence I did not consider the XP1 and assumed on med or high will drain the battery very quickly. If there is one thing I generally tend not to belief anymore, it is the hours the product manufacturers claim. I am yet to see anyone delivering what they claim. We make assumptions I know (guilty) and then hope we get real life feedback from actual users of the product in order to make an informative decision. I have now ordered yet another light (a CWC special) and again found that the battery is not the same size or quality as the Ryder. So I bought two lights now not entirely living up to what I hoped it would be. The money spent so far would have covered your XP1 easily..but then I again need to trust what you are saying :-)...Tough decision. 

 

I share your irritation.  I am fed up with over claimed and under performing products. That is why we do real runtime test after we get the first production batch. We do our best to make sure the lights are brighter and run longer than what we state. It was a very difficult decision to go against what others do. I am sure we are still losing huge amount of sales because we don't claim for example 2000 lumen from a 650 lumen light. And then hide behind apparent ignorance or shifting the blame to the manufacturer's when confronted.

 

With our XP range people should get longer runtimes than what we state and if not it would be a defective product which we will gladly replace.