Jhb Botanical gardens ride direction?

[(Deon)]

 

HfxO--- its a no brainer dude.Its a DOWN line( anti clockwise as you say ) ,always has been and always will be . its the one place on the spruit-emmies-3 parks whatever- that I will not giveway to an uprider. Hubbers like V12man and Uni only serve to create confusion and possible collision in this regard. We have posted stuff on this before and it seems their logic is still mired in tar . 

PLEASE RIDE UP SOMEWHERE ELSE.THANK YOU .

 

 

 

I love these debates when it gets down to the indignation of some standing by their adopted direction. We had a lot of that too in Tokai and as the trail got faster, the conflict escalated with it...

 

Any chance we can stick a webcam in a tree and link it to this thread?

[rouxtjie]

 

HfxO--- its a no brainer dude.Its a DOWN line( anti clockwise as you say ) ,always has been and always will be . its the one place on the spruit-emmies-3 parks whatever- that I will not giveway to an uprider. Hubbers like V12man and Uni only serve to create confusion and possible collision in this regard. We have posted stuff on this before and it seems their logic is still mired in tar . 

 

PLEASE RIDE UP SOMEWHERE ELSE.THANK YOU .

HfxO--- its a no brainer dude.Its a DOWN line( anti clockwise as you say ) ,always has been and always will be . its the one place on the spruit-emmies-3 parks whatever- that I will not giveway to an uprider. Hubbers like V12man and Uni only serve to create confusion and possible collision in this regard. We have posted stuff on this before and it seems their logic is still mired in tar . 

PLEASE RIDE UP SOMEWHERE ELSE.THANK YOU .

 

 

Grant, v12 is right ouboet....just because YOU gave it direction doens't mean it is so. Its a public place / park and direction cannot be enforced, heck the trails should technically not be there in the first place. There is however a bylaw that states you cannot ride over a certain speed. So we can either:

 

1.Not be dicks...be mindfull of people and dont try to run them off the trail and the park stays a happy place for all to enjoy

2.Be dicks...have a sense of entitlement, think we are singletrack legends and push and shove people out of the way, either physically or verbally which in turn will make everyone hate us(walkers, people with kiddos and dogs) and soon the park will ban cyclists.

 

You need to go and have a chat with yourself china 

[patches]

 

If you look at the image above you will see that I have marked 2 particular stretches of singletrack. I have done so because these both have blind corners and can be potential collision zones.

 

Section A

 

The majority ride that section in an anti-clockwise direction. That is not to say that it is exclusively a 1-way. BUT keep in mind that if one chooses to ride it clockwise, then caution should be exercised, especially on the narrow blind corners by the hedges, and again because the majority of traffic will be oncoming.

 

Section B

 

Like Section A, the majority of riders travel in an anti-clockwise direction through this tree line. Based on the berms and jumps in this line, it was built with the intention that it runs in that direction. (Some people however get immense joy in riding over jumps in the opposite direction. To each their own). Most riders wanting to travel in the opposite direction use either the main path that the dog walkers use, or if one looks carefully there was an "up line" cut some years ago. this may be hard to see as not many people used it, so it isn't well established.

 

 

These are the directions that the general masses use. Again, it is not a hard and fast rule so one is free to travel in whichever direction they choose, but again, bearing in mind that the majority use these sections anti-clockwise, one will encounter much head on traffic if they choose to use them clockwise. So look ahead and be cautious.

 

IMBA does state that climbers have right of way, but might I suggest that common sense and general courtesy supersedes that. There are times when it is easier and safer for the climber to move aside.

 

• Look ahead! (It's like the #1 rule of MTBing. I see plenty of Spruit riders with their heads down, only noticing another rider when they're 5m away)
• Watch out for kids, dogs and horses. These can be unpredictable, and as much as the rider may have right of way, avoiding a collision by being cautious around such is far more important than who is right and who is wrong).
• Smile and be polite! 

[V12man]

 

http://d3u536mexp8na1.cloudfront.net/forum/public/style_images/master/attachicon.gifemmarentia.PNG

 

If you look at the image above you will see that I have marked 2 particular stretches of singletrack. I have done so because these both have blind corners and can be potential collision zones.

 

Section A

 

The majority ride that section in an anti-clockwise direction. That is not to say that it is exclusively a 1-way. BUT keep in mind that if one chooses to ride it clockwise, then caution should be exercised, especially on the narrow blind corners by the hedges, and again because the majority of traffic will be oncoming.

 

Section B

 

Like Section A, the majority of riders travel in an anti-clockwise direction through this tree line. Based on the berms and jumps in this line, it was built with the intention that it runs in that direction. (Some people however get immense joy in riding over jumps in the opposite direction. To each their own). Most riders wanting to travel in the opposite direction use either the main path that the dog walkers use, or if one looks carefully there was an "up line" cut some years ago. this may be hard to see as not many people used it, so it isn't well established.

 

 

These are the directions that the general masses use. Again, it is not a hard and fast rule so one is free to travel in whichever direction they choose, but again, bearing in mind that the majority use these sections anti-clockwise, one will encounter much head on traffic if they choose to use them clockwise. So look ahead and be cautious.

 

IMBA does state that climbers have right of way, but might I suggest that common sense and general courtesy supersedes that. There are times when it is easier and safer for the climber to move aside.

 

• Look ahead! (It's like the #1 rule of MTBing. I see plenty of Spruit riders with their heads down, only noticing another rider when they're 5m away)
• Watch out for kids, dogs and horses. These can be unpredictable, and as much as the rider may have right of way, avoiding a collision by being cautious around such is far more important than who is right and who is wrong).
• Smile and be polite! 

 

Matt - maybe you can add a C section too - along the Marks Park fenceline (from the B section going south) - that section is also a potential hazard, as there is little overtaking space on the top line - and caution should be used here - as well as some common sense... and it's also the orginal section built in the park for riding - well away from walkers and runners at the time, although that has changed a lot nowadays, and that section is riddled with alternate lines alongside the slope - probably going to create some erosion soon - which is not a good thing at all.

[Tumbleweed]

Grant: your post is formatted in such a way that it seems what you have written was written by Paul. Please edit your post so that it is not so.

 

Funny that someone who screams "no-brainer", etc, etc, has no clue how to post on the hub...

 

Did the same on a NF thread - about direction, funnily enough - but seems he took a bit if a knock there...  

[hayleyearth]

 

http://d3u536mexp8na1.cloudfront.net/forum/public/style_images/master/attachicon.gifemmarentia.PNG

 

If you look at the image above you will see that I have marked 2 particular stretches of singletrack. I have done so because these both have blind corners and can be potential collision zones.

 

Section A

 

The majority ride that section in an anti-clockwise direction. That is not to say that it is exclusively a 1-way. BUT keep in mind that if one chooses to ride it clockwise, then caution should be exercised, especially on the narrow blind corners by the hedges, and again because the majority of traffic will be oncoming.

 

Section B

 

Like Section A, the majority of riders travel in an anti-clockwise direction through this tree line. Based on the berms and jumps in this line, it was built with the intention that it runs in that direction. (Some people however get immense joy in riding over jumps in the opposite direction. To each their own). Most riders wanting to travel in the opposite direction use either the main path that the dog walkers use, or if one looks carefully there was an "up line" cut some years ago. this may be hard to see as not many people used it, so it isn't well established.

 

 

These are the directions that the general masses use. Again, it is not a hard and fast rule so one is free to travel in whichever direction they choose, but again, bearing in mind that the majority use these sections anti-clockwise, one will encounter much head on traffic if they choose to use them clockwise. So look ahead and be cautious.

 

IMBA does state that climbers have right of way, but might I suggest that common sense and general courtesy supersedes that. There are times when it is easier and safer for the climber to move aside.

 

• Look ahead! (It's like the #1 rule of MTBing. I see plenty of Spruit riders with their heads down, only noticing another rider when they're 5m away)
• Watch out for kids, dogs and horses. These can be unpredictable, and as much as the rider may have right of way, avoiding a collision by being cautious around such is far more important than who is right and who is
• ).
• Smile and be polite! 

 

 

As V12 said you are missing the part in question... 

 

 

Personally I love riding A in CW direction. Other 2 CCW. But I always try and be on alert for if riders come from the other side. 

[patches]

Matt - maybe you can add a C section too - along the Marks Park fenceline (from the B section going south) - that section is also a potential hazard, as there is little overtaking space on the top line - and caution should be used here - as well as some common sense... and it's also the orginal section built in the park for riding - well away from walkers and runners at the time, although that has changed a lot nowadays, and that section is riddled with alternate lines alongside the slope - probably going to create some erosion soon - which is not a good thing at all.

 

 

As V12 said you are missing the part in question... 

 

 

Personally I love riding A in CW direction. Other 2 CCW. But I always try and be on alert for if riders come from the other side. 

 

 

I didn't include that section because for the most part visibility is good. The trail is pretty straight and one can see quite far ahead (with the exception of 1 or 2 corners). I have never been riding that section and suddenly had to slam on brakes because of oncoming traffic.

 

But yes, it can be a potential hazard. So same rules apply. Look ahead. Be polite. Be cautious when approaching blind corners (especially if travelling clockwise, as again, the majority will be going anti clockwise).

[V12man]

I didn't include that section because for the most part visibility is good. The trail is pretty straight and one can see quite far ahead (with the exception of 1 or 2 corners). I have never been riding that section and suddenly had to slam on brakes because of oncoming traffic.

 

But yes, it can be a potential hazard. So same rules apply. Look ahead. Be polite. Be cautious when approaching blind corners (especially if travelling clockwise, as again, the majority will be going anti clockwise).

Humour us and incude it - especially the drop off going CCW - nasty blind corner....

[Hfx0]

Thanks for the effort Patches. I think I’ll go anti-clockwise towards Olifants road today.

 

As for the sterling contributions by Sidewinder and Grant Frewen: "Good day to you Sirs"

[Grant Frewen]

Nope - we don't create confusion - THERE IS NO DIRECTIONALITY on the rides - there never has been - and as one of the original builders and riders of that line 20 years or so ago - I am sure on that.

 

People must have respect other riders and consider what might happen in the event of a collision - if you are going downhill (and its only just a minor slope) then you MUST in terms of the IMBA accepted rules give way to the person climbing it - just have some common sense, and courtesy - IT IS NOT A RACETRACK.

 

The same problem also exists on the northern fenceline route - be cautious there too.

I see the same twits who supported you the last time we had this issue do so again . And the 1000's of others out there with a sense of knowing just keep quiet and think ...what a chop!!.maybe you missed something with the "original builders" who were thinking how awesome this is going to be as A DOWN LINE------->>>

p.s it wasnt built 20 years ago so...more like 8 years ago .just goes to show what you know and what you think you know are divergent paths. While I respect your IMBA  blah blah codes there are also codes of COMMON sense clearly none of which seems to resonate with you .

Hayley Comet, Patchs et al . When we all rode mtn bikes without shocks , without strava and without google maps it was quiet and nice and there was no nonsesne like this .Everybody used common sense. Then as numbers grew friction with other park users and the like grew . This was in particular a problem with the dog walkers . As mtn biking reached critical mass naturally a new line would develop along the top . For the "clockwise , uprider folk " there is second line (middle )through the trees without the berms and jumps and drop offs .Its specially for you guys ...maybe we should even make a sign that say " KILL JOYS RIDE HERE " Suffice to say this has not been mentioned by any of you .Why not ?Some of you who comment clearly have nothing (50 000 comments ??)better to do all day and form a lil sniping gang . grow the f&^* up .Oh and how about putting your real names and faces up here so when I see you coming up the line ......

[Guest notmyname]

I see the same twits who supported you the last time we had this issue do so again . And the 1000's of others out there with a sense of knowing just keep quiet and think ...what a chop!!.maybe you missed something with the "original builders" who were thinking how awesome this is going to be as A DOWN LINE------->>>

p.s it wasnt built 20 years ago so...more like 8 years ago .just goes to show what you know and what you think you know are divergent paths. While I respect your IMBA blah blah codes there are also codes of COMMON sense clearly none of which seems to resonate with you .

Nine post legend...

[GaryvdM]

I see the same twits who supported you the last time we had this issue do so again . And the 1000's of others out there with a sense of knowing just keep quiet and think ...what a chop!!.maybe you missed something with the "original builders" who were thinking how awesome this is going to be as A DOWN LINE------->>>

p.s it wasnt built 20 years ago so...more like 8 years ago .just goes to show what you know and what you think you know are divergent paths. While I respect your IMBA  blah blah codes there are also codes of COMMON sense clearly none of which seems to resonate with you .

 

Wow, Grant, why you so angry? Lets try calm down and have a constructive discussion instead of a screaming match.

[patches]

Humour us and incude it - especially the drop off going CCW - nasty blind corner....

 

Now you're exploiting my trade. I didn't go on a 6 week MS Paint course to dish out useful diagrams for mahala....

 

 

ok, maybe one last one...

 

[rouxtjie]

I see the same twits who supported you the last time we had this issue do so again . And the 1000's of others out there with a sense of knowing just keep quiet and think ...what a chop!!.maybe you missed something with the "original builders" who were thinking how awesome this is going to be as A DOWN LINE------->>>

p.s it wasnt built 20 years ago so...more like 8 years ago .just goes to show what you know and what you think you know are divergent paths. While I respect your IMBA  blah blah codes there are also codes of COMMON sense clearly none of which seems to resonate with you .

Awrmegawd....so much of irony

 

Must be a total gas to have a group ride with you  

[GaryvdM]

So question for the fairies: could small signs be placed at the entrances to these lines to encourage a single direction for these lines, like the ones on the Delta park northern tree line?

[SteveS]

I see the same twits who supported you the last time we had this issue do so again . And the 1000's of others out there with a sense of knowing just keep quiet and think ...what a chop!!.maybe you missed something with the "original builders" who were thinking how awesome this is going to be as A DOWN LINE------->>>

p.s it wasnt built 20 years ago so...more like 8 years ago .just goes to show what you know and what you think you know are divergent paths. While I respect your IMBA  blah blah codes there are also codes of COMMON sense clearly none of which seems to resonate with you .

Dude you need to take a chill pill. If you use Strava as a benchmark of people doing certain sections , you will see 1093 people have gone around that section clock wise since it has been included as a segment (To Park Point Top Roots). So its not just a few clueless people.

 

You carry on as if doing it anti clockwise means it its this super course that's all downhill!! Last time I checked, if you do the course as Patches has highlighted it, the total ascent will be more or less the same going either way. Both directions have uphill and downhill parts.

 

AS V12man says the only part that you need to be careful and mindful of is section B, where it is best to ride off the the flowing section. As said before this a public park, not a MTB specific park where the course builder/owner can dictate direction.

 

What do you do when you find a dogwalker on that piece of single track?????